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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #225 on: February 20, 2018, 12:58:28 PM »
For these who do not wanna work hard, nothing works. It includes roulette systems as well.
  If someone wanna system to bet all wheels, he is just lazy, result of his play is predetermined,  he is doomed for life.
   Folks who has no mania of " due " create systems for wheel they gonna play based on data wheel itself produces. ...those have a chance .
 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #226 on: February 25, 2018, 06:36:12 PM »
I can't believe after so many pages on this Single Dozen system thread it's still ongoing. One of the biggest Gambler's Fallacy thread together with the Pattern Breaker on RF.  I firmly believe that experienced roulette players and forum visitors are viewing this laughing their bums off. But i guess it keeps the discussions running. It is very true that systems get recycled year after year being sugarcoated with fancy explanations and wording. People rather discuss and do endless testing instead of making money off the casino's. I know testing is needed, but if something actually is infallible..would it be on any forum ? Grab the valuable information from this thread and that's the stats of a dozen that shows up after a certain trigger. The rest with progressions or virtual losses is a waste of time. My 2 cents.
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #227 on: February 25, 2018, 10:33:13 PM »
LOL, sure dump all posts which were targeted on a specific system here.

So this is the thread which houses Real, Mike, MrPerfect, Bebediktus et al ?

 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #228 on: February 25, 2018, 10:39:05 PM »
 You can potentially throw all posts written by others ( excluding these 4 you mentioned ), and loose nothing at all in terms of useful information. 
 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #229 on: February 25, 2018, 10:55:33 PM »
I ADMIT, its a fine line. Constantly saying NO....and in return others are pissed off...BUT...you/I/we may be correct constantly saying NO etc. (lol)

  I'm on the fence, if you know something that others dont, get involved or just let it go???

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #230 on: February 25, 2018, 11:05:34 PM »
This is the topic that houses arguments why roulette systems should not work.

If someone does not believe in systems, there is no point in replying in systems topics. He can post his reservations here, even linking to a system if needed. Otherwise the system topics get disrupted.
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #231 on: February 25, 2018, 11:12:29 PM »
but where is the line Kav? Meaning, someone posts his HG saying, bet on the 3rd column every time a red number hits and use a "soft" progression. Do that, its your own personal HG.

So, no one should CALL THAT OUT? Let it go? Again, I guess I see both sides to the argument.

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #232 on: February 25, 2018, 11:25:05 PM »
I understand your point MrJ
The line is if the argument is generic.
If the same argument against a specific system, can be made for many other systems as well, then it is a generic argument and should be posted here.

Whatever doesn't promote the betterment of a system belongs here. Genuine questions why a trigger or a progression offer an advantage are welcome in system topics. But if a member doesn't believe a system, any system, can work, there is no point in expressing his reservations again and again in system discussions.
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #233 on: February 25, 2018, 11:25:21 PM »
On my personal opinion,  topic should be renamed.  Instead of " systems do not work" , it should be " system players do not wanna work".
   There is everything fine with systems, they all work. It's difficult to imagine one that would not function with advantage to players side.
  Problems is on " system players". They ignore need to get and maintenain advantage!!!
   In this " conditions" and with this attitudes nothing will work for them ever.
   THIS IS "THE LINE".................................... . .......
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #234 on: February 25, 2018, 11:33:04 PM »
"system players do not wanna work"
LOL Nice!

But is their play MrPerfect. System players don't need anyone to save them. They play and enjoy roulette their own way. No need for anyone to proselytize them. And btw, I apreciate the fact, that you are very discrete in your comments and do not disrupt the system discussions.
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #235 on: February 25, 2018, 11:35:20 PM »
Then of course (my favorite), should EVERY method be lumped together? I say no (lol).

I refuse to be in the same grouping as xxxxxxx. Yet, I could be wrong.

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #236 on: February 26, 2018, 12:08:37 AM »
Kav, system players can do what they want with their money. It's a fact. I'm not after helping anyone. I just wanna find these who realise they need help. I definitely do. It's a team play, very difficult to play alone properly.  Even to my students l advice upfront to find friends to share workload, cos it's huge. 2 people minimum.
   My own rc is just a way to replace need for other guy.
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #237 on: February 26, 2018, 12:11:43 AM »
When a serious system player spends endless time testing a system, isn't that work Mr. perfect?
A system may start with an idea or hypothesis, but it is the hard work of testing and tweaking that makes it a winner.
Unlike the popular belief that in roulette instant probability in a random environment is the norm, statistical analysis and interpretation is far more important. And you can have an edge, if you know how to interpret a statistical analysis. 
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #238 on: February 26, 2018, 09:14:08 AM »
The line is if the argument is generic.
If the same argument against a specific system, can be made for many other systems as well, then it is a generic argument and should be posted here.

Kav,

I understand that system posters would get p*ssed off with generic criticisms interrupting their threads, and it seems fair enough that if someone has put effort into creating a system and testing it, then they are entitled to expect any criticism to be more specific than something like "it's gambler's fallacy"; it seems reasonable to require that any critic make a similar effort in his criticism of the system as the system advocate has in creating and testing it.

I can "criticize" a system by doing my own tests and posting the results, or writing a simulation which shows that it doesn't work "long term". I'm assuming you wouldn't object to those kinds of criticisms, but would allow the post to remain in the original thread and not move it here?

But I don't see how you can avoid making generic statements. Isn't that how we learn and move on? Doesn't there come a point where after continued failures, we must notice that there is a pattern, and that systems which don't work have something in common? That's the point at which we are entitled to make generic statements. Otherwise, it seems to me that we have learned nothing, and are just doing the same thing every time, but expecting a different result (I think it was Einstein who said that is a kind of insanity).
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #239 on: February 26, 2018, 09:31:37 AM »
Mike,

If one tests a system, one can definitely post the results and relevant comments in the related system topic. A very important aspect of the problem is intention. If someone is preoccupied against systems, then all systems seem to him the same BS, so it is better to avoid commenting on systems. If someone is genuinely interested in systems he should be free to ask any question he likes. The good intentions person usually asks questions or adds info, testing, ideas etc. The anti-system member usually dismisses the system.

And to answer your question about posting test results. No matter the result, if you wished it will be winner you are allowed to post it. If you just wanted to prove it fails you are not :-) I'm kidding of course, a test is a test anyway. I just want to say that intention makes a world of difference, although it is not always easy to distinguish.