OmniSystem

[slpcorner]

I've been gambling for about 20 years off and on when budget permits and have used many "systems" in that time. I've noticed no matter what system I use - the same pattern seems to appear.  The system works great at first and then eventually falters, then crashes and burns.

The most recent run was 14 days of winning in a row (28 total sessions - see below) with a very simple system... day 15 and 16 I experienced considerable drawdowns and then never recovered. That was probably my longest winning streak on a single system.

This got me to thinking... What if we use many different systems in a given period?  In other words, let's say I gamble every day and each day pick a different system to use, assuming I'm not gambling all day long. (I currently only usually play about 15 or 20 minutes per session - 2 sessions per day).

So I'm thinking the OmniSystem is simply that - ALL the systems you've ever thought of or read about on a list and then just pick a different one each session. Set a reasonable Win-stop for each session.

There is no math or science behind this idea... just trying to take advantage of what seems to be optimal "luck" when starting fresh with a different system.

[Sheridan44]

Slpcorner.....

I've come to that thinking too....the pattern is always the same...possibly a big start and then the line on the graph starts downward, sometimes slowly - sometimes rapidly, as it seeks its inevitable -2.63 or -5.26 destination. I've shifted my mode to focus to the resiliency (or the staying power) of a system or method, which in my opinion at least offers one the time to bail before gigantic losses (ie....to live for another day). This could employ the use of loss limit triggers. Of course there's no limit on the upside. And the loss limit would have to fit the bet selection / progression being used - as the velocities of loss can vary quite a bit accordingly.

Your idea of an "Omni-System" is similar to what I've been thinking about for some time. Mine is more like a "Consensus System" where like members of this forum set up a "workshop" or think tank, seeking to develop an optimal strategy with all the considerations such as a betting method, progression/regression (or whatever), bankroll requirements..ie..and all the other relevant stuff required that I can't think of right at the moment.

A consensus method would require some rules, possibly something akin to parliamentary procedure... and its goal would be the adoption a method (or methods) which the broadest elements of the participants could support. Every voice should be heard or at least considered. Of course trolling and blatant negativity could not be permitted, but constructive criticism should be. With all the roulette savvy and intelligent minds here, I believe we could come up with a really good thing.  Also, the interaction with others would be rewarding and insightful. Everyone would have a stake in it, and it would hopefully create a "team" atmosphere. It would take some time..but that's to be expected.

[palestis]

It is not a case where "good luck" always prevails in the first few sessions. Then bad luck takes over.
I am sure  your system involves a progression. A progression allows you to continue betting, each time with a higher bet, so when there is a hit you have a profit. Considering the betting falls under the probability of series, there is a high degree of success rate because all you need is at least one hit in a series of bets. And it usually happens. Sometimes with 90% and 95% success rate.
It's when you come across the 5% and 10% failure rate that demolishes everything you built with the high success rates. And no matter how rare the failure rate may seem, it will happen. That is certain.
And that's the reason many good systems fail.
Using a different system each time to take advantage of the "beginner's good luck" won't solve the problem. The small failure rate, when it happens,  will always claim more money lost than money won during the period of the high success rate.
That has been the case with roulettes systems since day 1.
But there is a way around this problem if you are patient. Depending on the system, there is a "golden range" in a series of bets where the overwhelming majority of successes happens.
All you have to do is bet only in that range. Not before and not after.
Not only it saves you money with wasted bets, it also raises the high rate of success even higher. If the system fails in that range you only lose an amount that can be easily recovered in the next trigger or two.
It is when you bet an entire range or until the B/R runs out in a non stop progression that creates those problems that you mentioned.
Letting spins go by as virtual losses may seem as lost winning opportunities, that's y you need patience to ignore it and only bet during the most effective range. That limits the progressive bets to a small range where you don't expose your entire B/R. You only expose a small part of it, and if failure happens it doesn't do much damage. You will recover the next time.

[Jesper]

The fact it is possible to lose at every spin, make it impossible to avoid a bad run. We can not cover all outcomes and still win. If we have a betting method which win 99% of the trials, the remaining 1% use to have a loss hardly or never cover the previous winning. As the winnings are most of the time, it works in the most cases a while.

I know someone who were successful for several years playing the same method. This method is a combination of two old systems, Martingale and Oscars Grind. He used a progression of 4 steps (1,2,4,8) and most of the times they won a chip. If 4 losses he switch to Oscars Grind. On the Martingale stage he follow the last, and on the later he stayed. 

With rather large bankroll and some luck, he went on just winning. Everyone can test this and come to the conclusion it fail. Anyhow he never faced the bad streak.

[dobbelsteen]

My manner of attack the rouletteis based on:
1 different systems
2 wagering on ECs, Dozens , Columns, Streets and Double Streets
3 differnt betting selections for the differnt chances
4 the features of the random sequences
5 events which occurs once in a very large number of spins
6 2 to 5 tables

Before starting a session on a table I study the history of the last 20 spins and the stats of the last 50 spins.

It must be clear that it is impossible to describe a full session.

Play roulette can be learned.

Before starting a

[kris]

Actually I think you have a point, tell us if you are lucky on that idea. I pretty much like it too, though I have never thought of that option to be working, I had the same issue with different systems as you did

[kav]

This is an amazing thread.
I think Palaistis gives a great explanation why the phenomenon you describe happens. It is because the % of losing are low and only happen after enough sessions, but the amount of loss is too big.

I also like very much the simple system Jesper describes.

Here is my own little secret to try and minimize losses when things go south.
Usually most progressions try to end on a profit. After all what is the point of a progression if it doesn't produce a profit.
Well, I'm a believer of soft progressions. When things go south, I don't care to make a profit, I just want to recoup just some of of the losses. This means that not all my attacks produce profit, but the progression is safe enough to avoid complete disaster.

[Sheridan44]

Excellent point Kav, if things go belly-up, you at least wanna live to see tomorrow.

[edgefounder]

This is an amazing thread.
I think Palaistis gives a great explanation why the phenomenon you describe happens. It is because the % of losing are low and only happen after enough sessions, but the amount of loss is too big.

I also like very much the simple system Jesper describes.

Here is my own little secret to try and minimize losses when things go south.
Usually most progressions try to end on a profit. After all what is the point of a progression if it doesn't produce a profit.
Well, I'm a believer of soft progressions. When things go south, I don't care to make a profit, I just want to recoup just some of of the losses. This means that not all my attacks produce profit, but the progression is safe enough to avoid complete disaster.

This is what I use too. Sometimes recovering 70% of the previous bets is as good as winning since then you won't wipe out your entire bankroll. In business they say, cut your losses and let your winners run. Same here. I also like the idea of playing different systems in different circumstances.

I'll write a new post about it to get the ball spinning.

[Rinad]

the power of making virtual bets or mental bets I think is way under rated. it does protect you against those really bad losing streaks, and that is what every one wants, no matter what system you play. it may sound like voodoo, but the odds of any particular bet are a unseen matter, a spiritual matter if you like to call it that way. you always stand in a place where you are either due for one good streak or due for one bad streak. I never go to the casino unless i am doing badly at home in a session. and guess what, it works. my 2 cents. God bless.

[mogul397]

As noted by Kav and INCREDIBLE thread.  And every person who
commented said something correct.

I have been talking about a "toolkit".  Lately it's more a matter of confusion.
several ideas. Not sure which one will work. The occasional quick double up.
The casino is now 15 min away so I stop by. RIght next to Lowes.  And pick
up $20. So it's fun and profitable. And most importantly it's fun and doesn't
cost anything.

Most of what I am looking at is NLE from the other forum and bet 2EC will become
3 or the 2nd version that 2 will become 4. But the truth is that there is a pattern as
dobblesteen said. Sometimes it's a chop. Sometimes endless streaks. And usually
when I see them I am right.  Funny thing. I have seen signals on dozens AND columbs.
I bet, DD double dozen on both and win.  That is fun.

But like I said, lately I am in a bit of confusion when there. Just following patterns
that I know will happen. And not chasing a huge progression. Just a little here and there.

[mogul397]

BTW, how did you play when you won all those sessions?

Don't be shy. Solid is solid.

[slpcorner]

Actually that's a very good question... That was nearly a year ago.  I'd have to do a bit of digging and head scratching to see if I can recall what I was up to then. Unfortunately I am horrible at keeping notes, but do have some - I'll post it if I can find it or remember.

The odd thing is that I didn't describe it on the original post - other than it was very simple. It may have been something I thought was too elementary for this crowd... but I'll see if I can dig it up.

[slpcorner]

I feel quite certain that it was the old "James Bond" system (I have no idea why it's called that)... I may have mentioned it in another post somewhere.

Anyway it's simply 1 unit SU on Zero, 5 units on the 13-18 DS, and 14 units on the High EC for a total of 20 units.

There was a progression involved - I can't remember exactly, but it wasn't complicated.

Something like double (all bets) on a loss and leave it doubled for two spins then back to the base amount. Beyond that I can't remember.

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Another one I used for a while was just betting streets - bet whatever street hits and leave all previous bets on the table until one repeats. On the hit - clear the board and start over.  It also had a progression.

The progressions for either one of these weren't written in stone or complicated at all... shouldn't be difficult to come up with something workable. But by "workable" I in no way mean long-term success obviously since their ultimate failure is what prompted me to write the post in the first place.  Have fun.