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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2016, 01:07:09 AM »
real unless you're willing to elaborate on the technics you've used to become a successful judgmental asshole then you're post are invalid here !
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2016, 01:08:53 AM »
More curve fitting and gambler's fallacy.
Well the guy played this system and found it to have 92% success rate. That's impressive, considering he only plays 12 numbers. Where the expected statistical success rate for a dozen is 33.3%
He also found that if he lost one time, the loss was not repeated the next time he encounter the 4 spins that a dozen was missing.
The issue here is to avoid setting the length of a progression according to the available B/R.
Rather, in smaller calculated steps

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##### Re: Very Near The Infallible Method & Consistent Profit Roulette system
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2016, 01:28:05 AM »
If it rarely happens to have 2 consecutive failures and never 3, then the level of certainty skyrockets.

I like your thought pattern of betting larger after a failure. So far never seen two consecutive failures on both systems (4th and 7th miss in a row).

That said, betting after the second miss is just too confusing
That's really nice. The fact that you have never seen two consecutive failures on both triggers ( 4 and 7 spins that a dozen has been found missing).
From experience you will see it twice if you test it long enough, but not as often to be considered a harmful situation. And if 2 consecutive failures are rare, you can imagine 3 or more how rare they can be.

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2016, 02:24:09 AM »
what to do when the 4or7 spins are in the same dozen, then u have 2 sets ? far too many fails after 4, 7 looks better but with no real confidence u would make progression as long as pos to stay under house limit

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2016, 01:32:28 PM »

Hi Jake,
Sorry I didn't get on this yesterday, but THOR was out and about big time. Our local electrical substation was hit 3 times. They have surge protection., but it knocks out the power for a few minutes while the breakers reset. If you don't switch them off it can fry your electronics.

Jake you seem to be one of the few which have understood what Palestis and I have been saying all along. What you called the "sweet spot" is the "winning range".
Once you have a list off where the hits occurred you can see at once where the bets should go. After only 600 spins you already have a clear picture. My basic test is normally about 750 spins, with follow up checks at 1500 and 5000. By that time you have a very firm idea of the range.

The next step is to build a short  progression that fits that range. You are not trying to eliminate loses, only reduce them to a point that allows you a fair profit. Loses can be attacked by a larger basic bet on the next series. It does not have to be a martingale raise (DOUBLE). If you only recover part of the loss. It is profit and goes straight to the bottom line.

As Palestis has said the danger is back to back loses. If they are prevalent then the system won't work. We have found this principle works on all systems that have a good bet selection.

Don't hesitate to contact me if you need more clarity or help with the progression.

Harry

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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2016, 03:12:05 PM »
are I on the same page 3- 54x, this is  1,13 then bet the 3rd dozen, only once, then wait for another 13,25 then bet 1st dozen which becomes the second progression bet ?

Hi Spins
Sorry, but you are definitely on the wrong page.

I'll try to go back to the beginning. Look at your old records and count the gaps in the appearance of dozens. eg.

2.2.3.1.3.3.2.1.3.0.2.1.2.1.2.2.2.3.3.2.3.2.2.2.2.1. Doz 2 is first. count to it's next appearance. 1 spin, then 5,4, 2,2,1,1,3.2,1,1,1

now doz 3  2, 2,1,3,9,1,2,

now doz 1  4,4,4,2,12.   You have now recorded the gaps between each dozen. now combine the list.

The gap was 1.....9 times
2.....8
3.....2
4.....4
5.....1
9.....1
12.....1

Now you can see at once which spins get the most hits. Spins 1 to 4 have 23 hits  5, 9, 12. Have only 3 hits in total.

The win range with this very small sample was 1 to 4. Their 23 hits will swamp the 3 loses.

You would only count after the proposed trigger point, and it will quickly show is the method can work. Any result less  or more than the range is just ignored in play. You won't bet then , they are just waiting time.

Once you fully understand this, then we can work on whether the range will work and the progression.

Regards Harry.     my mail is haroldphilipjosey@gmail if you want to work direct.

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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 05:22:02 PM »
I hope I can clarify the system I use...

-I do not bet on individual numbers.
-I bet on the dozens columns of 1st 12, 2nd 12 or 3rd 12.
-I place a 1 unit bet on each red & black, thus cancelling out each play waiting to place a bet on a dozens column.
-I then monitor each set of dozens by writing a 1, 2 or 3 on paper correlated to the first, second or third dozen that gets hit. If #13 is hit, I write a 2, if #35 is hit I write a 3. My score sheet looks like 1323123111213123231 etc, etc.
-If i notice a particular dozen missing 4 times in a row, I then begin a 4 step progression on that dozen column.
-On the 5th spin I place a bet of 3, then 4, then 6, then 9. If I havent hit my dozens column by then, thats it, I no longer bet at all on that dozen column.
-Once in a while I will bet on two columns at the same time.

In the image below I noticed the 2nd dozens column was missed 4 times starting at RED 14. My score sheet looks like 223133(begin betting)32(win).

Ive been playing around with dozens columns for a while using Loothog for help on max misses in a row. 26x seems the very max, but once it hit 31x. In real play Ive seen it go 26x. I used to begin my progressions after the 8th miss and had some luck for a while. I decided to try beginning a 16 step betting progression after the 8th dozens miss and I did well, but didnt bet too often and the one time it went to 26x it wrecked me

With that said, I no longer want to do a massive 16 step progression. Theres got to be a better way. Theres a sweet spot on each table.... Ive noticed on different sites and in Vegas (NYNY casino) that the sweet spot was somewhere around the 5th or 6th miss. Thus my new way of playing is a 4 step progression after the 4th miss.

Ive played another 500 spins this morning and never have I had two progression failures in a row! Thats exciting news IMO. With that info you can be conservative and just stick with the simple 3,4,6,9 progression or increase it a bit to 6,9,13,20 progression.

-If I start out with 1000 units, I will never get destroyed with this system.
-Ive never dropped below 990 at any time after an hour of play.
-Ive gone up 90 units a few times now.

My goal is simple. Im not trying to get rich. Im in Los Angeles, about a 3 hour drive to Vegas. I would love to have a system where I can bring \$1000 USD to the casino and play for a few hours and have the winnings cover my entire stay. Gasoline, food and hotel. Winning \$90 here, \$50 there and so on will do just that.
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##### Re: Very Near The Infallible Method & Consistent Profit Roulette system
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 05:22:47 PM »
are I on the same page 3- 54x, this is  1,13 then bet the 3rd dozen, only once, then wait for another 13,25 then bet 1st dozen which becomes the second progression bet ?

Hi Spins
Sorry, but you are definitely on the wrong page.

I'll try to go back to the beginning. Look at your old records and count the gaps in the appearance of dozens. eg.

2.2.3.1.3.3.2.1.3.0.2.1.2.1.2.2.2.3.3.2.3.2.2.2.2.1. Doz 2 is first. count to it's next appearance. 1 spin, then 5,4, 2,2,1,1,3.2,1,1,1

now doz 3  2, 2,1,3,9,1,2,

now doz 1  4,4,4,2,12.   You have now recorded the gaps between each dozen. now combine the list.

The gap was 1.....9 times
2.....8
3.....2
4.....4
5.....1
9.....1
12.....1

Now you can see at once which spins get the most hits. Spins 1 to 4 have 23 hits  5, 9, 12. Have only 3 hits in total.

The win range with this very small sample was 1 to 4. Their 23 hits will swamp the 3 loses.

You would only count after the proposed trigger point, and it will quickly show is the method can work. Any result less  or more than the range is just ignored in play. You won't bet then , they are just waiting time.

Once you fully understand this, then we can work on whether the range will work and the progression.

Regards Harry.     my mail is haroldphilipjosey@gmail if you want to work direct.

I totally agree with you Harry, additionally this phi;osophy could be applied to any bet selection,not only dozens and lines.
But if I'm not wrong, what Palestis describes is a different thing than what you have described here, correct?

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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2016, 05:53:33 PM »
jake im looking at loothog 'steady dozens' as well as spielbank wiesbasen results tr b, tb as1 and tb as2 it seems the best results for this is to start after 7 misses in a dozen, then bet the 8th spin 9th and 10th as individual progressions so if its   2,4,13,1,23,18,5 8th spin 11 miss 9th 28 hit on 9th progression, now wait for 7 misses again and you're 1st bet becomes 2 progression on the 8th spin and so on

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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2016, 05:58:57 PM »

It doesn't matter whether you wait or don't wait.
Regardless of a "triggers" length, they do not increase a system players win rate.  They are part of the gambler's fallacy.

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php/topic,670.msg9181.html#new

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2016, 06:23:43 PM »
I do agree real but when u continually see certain patterns repeating over 1000's of real spin's it's hard to dismiss there existence and  they can be exploited

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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2016, 06:30:44 PM »
You're not seeing patterns, you're merely subdividing your spin sample when you look for longer and longer triggers.

In the system above, the six trigger will perform just as well as the seven trigger, and so on and so forth.
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2016, 06:46:29 PM »
jake im looking at loothog 'steady dozens' as well as spielbank wiesbasen results tr b, tb as1 and tb as2 it seems the best results for this is to start after 7 misses in a dozen, then bet the 8th spin 9th and 10th as individual progressions so if its   2,4,13,1,23,18,5 8th spin 11 miss 9th 28 hit on 9th progression, now wait for 7 misses again and you're 1st bet becomes 2 progression on the 8th spin and so on

Yes Ive seen it also where groupings of misses happen around the 8th or 9th miss. I was originally playing that using the 16 progression which destroys bankroll eventually. I think Palestis has the best idea on this system by limiting the progression. It works for me personally since it forces me to limit bankroll losses.... as well as stress no more huge 500 unit bets!

Anyway, playing the 8th or 9th miss means Im not making very many bets over the course of an hour (instinctively making me to bet higher). Id rather bet small amounts more often with a higher win rate.

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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2016, 06:57:39 PM »
Okay just looked at my almost 600 spins. From that data my particular sweet spot is after the second miss. Below is the count out of 589 spins.

3- 54x
4- 21x
5- 40x
6- 27x
7- 13x
8- 8x
9- 3x
10- 1x
11- 3x
12- 2x
13- 2x
14- 1x
15- 1x
16- 1x

Looking at this, I would begin my progression after the 2nd miss.
just using these as an example to the fact that there are only so many possibilities in roulette its not infinite and by waiting for the inevitable lets say after the 7 spin u hit at a rate of 8/16 considering the 16 that went over aren't in a row the, 8 is exploitable

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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2016, 07:00:03 PM »

Real, I think everyone knows the gamblers fallacy. But... people do win from patterns. Most of us realize if there are 3 reds in a row, the next spin is an entirely new spin completely separated from all previous spins. However, if patterns occur.... and I see it with the dozens column model presented, I believe we can exploit it somehow for gains. The "real" question is... how?

I like the 4 step progression and then stopping. I think its smart. The dozens column/misses betting is not new but its always linked with a 16 step progression. Using only 4 steps limits losses. Maybe there is even a better way to bet?

It doesn't matter whether you wait or don't wait.
Regardless of a "triggers" length, they do not increase a system players win rate.  They are part of the gambler's fallacy.

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php/topic,670.msg9181.html#new
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