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#### Jesper

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##### How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« on: June 28, 2015, 05:23:48 PM »
If we flat bet a number
we have to hit it often than the pay out
for a win.
With a progression we can overcome that,
to some extent.
If we increase the bet after a hit,
the sleeper do not make the bets
higher during losing streaks.
In a very long run the average gap
is very close to expected.
I have played single number a lot,
but never tried to check which
average between hits in a session
is the largest possible, and still win.
An extreme sleeper of say 800 spins
should not by itself make the session lose,
if the averaga not reach some maximum.
I could computer simulate it, and
find the figure. I am first
interested in whats happen while I play.
Started today and will count which
average which is max.
I think it will not be known
until a few busts, which
are rather rare.
All sessions played the same number(1).
Too good hit rate to get answer.
I just know 74 can stand.

The used progression is 1,3,7,15,31,63

142 spins sleep -       Average 106
bet 3
second hit in 220 spins Average 103.
bet 7
third bet in 221 spins Average 73.6 spins
Profit 13.
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18 spins  Average 18
profit 18
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22 spins average 22
profit 14

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63 spins Average 63  -27
bet3
second hit in 217 spins Average 108.5  -381
bet 7
3rd hit in 222 spins Average 74   -164
bet 15
4th hit in 232 spins Average 58 spins
profit 226.
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18 spins Average 18
profit 18
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56 spins average 56 -20
bet 3
2d hit in 61 spins Average 30.5,
Profit 73
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2 spins Average 2
Profit 34
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3 spins Average 3
Profit 33
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15 spins Average 15
profit 21
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56 spins Average 56
bet 3
second hit in 74 spins Average 37
Profit 34
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2 spins Average 2
Profit 34.

#### Jesper

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2015, 07:44:26 AM »
Did some more play
No problematic sessions.
The first bet has been 2 chips.
The number is allways the same(1).

62  Av 62  -26
bet 3
2d hit 83 Avg 43.4
Profit 19.
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19 Avg 18
Win 17
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22 Avg 22
Win 14
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Chip up to 2
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bet 2
hit on spin 100 Avg 100, -128
bet 6
2d hit on spin 104, Avg 52.
Win 64
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bet2
hit on spin 38  -4
bet 6
hit on spin 24 Avg 21
Win 188
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bet 2
hit at spin 25
Win 22
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bet 2 hit on spin 4
Win 64
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bet 2
hit on spin 157 -242
bet 6
2d hit on spin 164 Avg 82 -64
bet 14
3d hit on spin 167 Avg 55.7
Win 394
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Did 1 chip bet by misstake.
bet 1
Hit on spin 1,
win 35
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bet 2
hit on spin 22
Win 28
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#### kav

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2015, 07:56:25 AM »
Hello Jesper,

This is a very interesting subject.
And you have put it in the right foundation talking about progressions.

Yet, I'm not sure that doing betting sessions and posting the results is the best way to develop it. A session can be lucky or unlucky, result in profit or loss, without offering any valuable insight or conclusion about the issue.

Maybe we need to do some deeper thinking about the issue. Share ideas. Analyze the theoretical pros and cons of various approaches etc.

#### december

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2015, 08:19:09 AM »
I find posting many sessions as Jesper does, very stimulating to think about method(s).
I am looking forward for his "live" results, in some way as it is my account.

#### december

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2015, 02:34:19 PM »
It appears only in messages that you have written.

#### kav

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 06:17:37 PM »
It appears only in messages that you have written.
Yes, each member is able to modify his own message. This what you mean?

#### december

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 07:08:37 PM »
Sorry, I meant to post it on other topic...

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2015, 09:36:36 PM »
Hello. I tried this system - also as in other depends on luck . I put the number 23 , a long dormant . Result:
47 spins -11
77 spin rate of 3 -123
122 Spin rate of 7  -602
14 spin rate of 15 330
56 spin rate 31 -620
47 spin rate of 63 -693
We obtain -1719

#### december

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##### Re: How long gaps between numbers and still win?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2015, 09:29:39 AM »
I miss Jesper very much - his ideas, his comments, his style!
Jesper, are you there somewhere?