Roulette Wheel is Beatable

[GameNeverOver]

GameNeverOver,

It's ok to talk about balance, but what about the truth? As grown-ups, we should at least attempt to give reasoned arguments and/or some evidence for our assertions, don't you think?

The problem with you AP guys is that you are having perfect eyesight but continue to act like blind men.

How many times have you played the game? Did you pay any attention while playing?
Have you noticed that even if sometimes there will be 20+ consecutive EC (R or B, L or H, O or E) in a row, but in the spins which follow they start to even out. To ensure there is no confusion, I'm going to give you one school example and every player which has played on roulette for real and is having good memory to remember the numbers will confirm my claims.

If you sit on the table and observe 100 spins and let say there are 35 REDs and 65 BLACKs, zero has slept (this 35% to 65% ratio is something that you will not see every day - most of the time it will fluctuate and be from 40 to 48% compared with the opposite even chance).
If you have the opportunity to see something like this, you can WITH 100% CERTAINTY expect to see at least 45 REDs in the next 100 spins (200 spins X 40% = 80 REDs - 35 REDs (already appeared in the first 100 spins) = 45 REDs). You can be sure that this will happen because it happens all the time.
So, how can we use this knowledge in our advantage?
With patience of course. We will wait just a little more. Every black number that shows up bring us closer to our winnings.

If in the first 20 spins from the second 100 spins 15 BLACKs and only 5 REDs appear, in the remaining 80 spins there will be at least 40 REDs: this means that if we use only flat bets we will get even in the end of this 100 spins sequence. And using non aggressive progression will bring us the profits for sure.

Hint: Even in smaller samples then 200 spins you can notice the working of the law of equal distribution.

This is not the approach that I'm using, this is just one practical example about how winning is done in the game of roulette.

Good luck all,
=GNO=

[BlueAngel]

By writing all these you gave me more than enough clues to understand your method.
I've tried to PM you but your mail box is full.
One of my methods is similar to yours,not ordinary at all!
We might speak outside...

[Real]

GNO,

Does the gambler's fallacy nonsense just come naturally to you?

And what's with the "secret hint" scam?

On any other forum they'd ban your ass for running a gypsy scam.

[Reyth]

Hey Mike,  wouldn't any AP player be considered a cheater by a casino?

[Mike]

If you have the opportunity to see something like this, you can WITH 100% CERTAINTY expect to see at least 45 REDs in the next 100 spins (200 spins X 40% = 80 REDs - 35 REDs (already appeared in the first 100 spins) = 45 REDs).

Oh crikey...

The gambler's fallacy will never die.

[Mike]

Hey Mike,  wouldn't any AP player be considered a cheater by a casino?

Maybe, but it's not against the law, although roulette computers are illegal in some jurisdictions.

Some system players take the view that AP is cheating and that the systems approach is the only pure and noble path, an intellectual challenge worth pursuing. They think there is something underhand and grubby about AP, and even that it's comparatively easy compared to the "true" way.

A bizarre kind of snobbery, in my opinion.

[Reyth]

If you have the opportunity to see something like this, you can WITH 100% CERTAINTY expect to see at least 45 REDs in the next 100 spins (200 spins X 40% = 80 REDs - 35 REDs (already appeared in the first 100 spins) = 45 REDs).

Oh crikey...

The gambler's fallacy will never die.

Not as long as people who attempt to define it refuse to recognize the fact of equal distribution.  You have admitted it exists but have said its useless.  Apparently, GNO is declaring a concrete case of how it isn't.  I also showed you a way to increase your odds of success by using it.  Its not a fallacy, its a fact of roulette.

[Reyth]

Hey Mike,  wouldn't any AP player be considered a cheater by a casino?

Maybe, but it's not against the law, although roulette computers are illegal in some jurisdictions.

Some system players take the view that AP is cheating and that the systems approach is the only pure and noble path, an intellectual challenge worth pursuing. They think there is something underhand and grubby about AP, and even that it's comparatively easy compared to the "true" way.

A bizarre kind of snobbery, in my opinion.

Well VB machines (that's what you mean by roulette computers?) are devices and so I would think they are definitely attempting to gain an unfair advantage but any visual inspection of a wheel's behavior using one's ears and eyeballs is certainly fair game.  I realize that now that I have thought about it more.

[GameNeverOver]

GNO,

Does the gambler's fallacy nonsense just come naturally to you?

And what's with the "secret hint" scam?

On any other forum they'd ban your ass for running a gypsy scam.

Yes, I'm born with it. Actually I'm born with the intelligence to know that when something is working for me - then its working.

Secret hint scam?! hahaha I'm not selling anything to noone here or nowhere else so this statement goes to the garbage, together with all the remaining posts from you and the rest of the AP players.

Something to add:
The more I read your posts the more I'm sure that all of you "the self proclaimed AP winners" are nothing more then guys which are in the business with selling AP/VB equipment or giving training courses and you are the ones that should be banned from every roulette forum because you are the ones that scam people to pay for your training and expensive equipment.

P.S. The last sentence you wrote is not insult for me personally but for this forum in general and for every single member or guest-visitor on it.
Kav, our respected admin, should reconsider his decision about your presence here in future because you don't contribute to this forum in any way + you got the balls to spit on it and on every MEMBER publicly!

[GameNeverOver]

If you have the opportunity to see something like this, you can WITH 100% CERTAINTY expect to see at least 45 REDs in the next 100 spins (200 spins X 40% = 80 REDs - 35 REDs (already appeared in the first 100 spins) = 45 REDs).

Oh crikey...

The gambler's fallacy will never die.

Not as long as people who attempt to define it refuse to recognize the fact of equal distribution.  You have admitted it exists but have said its useless.  Apparently, GNO is declaring a concrete case of how it isn't.  I also showed you a way to increase your odds of success by using it.  Its not a fallacy, its a fact of roulette.

He doesn't want to see the truth Reyth. Maybe one day he'll wake up and understand the meaning of the saying:
"I was blind but now I see."
and then everything will be clearer for him.

Till then you, Palestis, Kav, Weird, BlueAngel and I (sorry for those I didn't mention) will make profits from the wheel.

Till then he and the rest of the "AP constant winners" will try to make a quick buck from luring naive players into buying expensive toys which are a must in AP/VB playing.

Good luck all,
=GNO=

[scepticus]

Mike.
Your links show up a site which
1 ) Discusses computers. Do you use a compute or rely strictly on VB  ?
2 ) The "History " of roulette ? More like a short summary .  All history is capable of several interpretations.

[GameNeverOver]

Mike.
Your links show up a site which
1 ) Discusses computers. Do you use a compute or rely strictly on VB  ?
2 ) The "History " of roulette ? More like a short summary .  All history is capable of several interpretations.

Little by little, everyone on this forum (and all the others) will read through the true intentions of the so called AP-constant-winners players.
Hint: AP equipment is damn expensive and the lowest price starts at 1250 dollars. If any of these AP players successfully lure some naive player to buy one, probably gets provision (at least 30%) so: 1250 X 0.30 = 375 dollars! And this is from the cheapest ones. There are also gadgets from 80.000 dollars and the piece of the cake becomes 24.000 dollars. 10 pieces sold = 240.000 dollars KA-CHING!

[scepticus]

GNO
 Computers can be a help in roulette prediction because some people have actually won lots of money using them.But if you are caught using them in a real casino you will be barred from  that casino and many more.
What I dispute is that OUR AP members can actually do better than the Expectation without the aid of a computer. What they claim can be put down to Random .
What I object to is their incessant chanting that ONLY  vb can beat roulette.

[Shakuni]

Game never over is absolutely right about having a big bank roll and small profit targets. The example given by him  sets the profit target of 2.5 percent of the bank roll. For 10,000 bank roll winning 250 may sound very low but it is very easily achievable and it does adds up in long run. I dont think you even need a great startegy or full proof system to win 2.5% of your bank roll. Just know the game well and play smart you can win even 5% of your bank roll on daily basis..

[Mike]

Mike.
Your links show up a site which
1 ) Discusses computers. Do you use a compute or rely strictly on VB  ?
2 ) The "History " of roulette ? More like a short summary .  All history is capable of several interpretations.

Little by little, everyone on this forum (and all the others) will read through the true intentions of the so called AP-constant-winners players.
Hint: AP equipment is damn expensive and the lowest price starts at 1250 dollars. If any of these AP players successfully lure some naive player to buy one, probably gets provision (at least 30%) so: 1250 X 0.30 = 375 dollars! And this is from the cheapest ones. There are also gadgets from 80.000 dollars and the piece of the cake becomes 24.000 dollars. 10 pieces sold = 240.000 dollars KA-CHING!

Sorry to disappoint you, GNO, and to answer scepticus'  question, I don't recommend the use of computers. As I've already mentioned, it isn't necessary for VB, bias tracking, or dealer signature (and it's not even relevant for the last two AP methods). All a computer really does is to predict where the ball will exit the track, which can be done manually. I suspect that Real will agree with me. You don't even need to buy a metronome or "thumper" for wheel timings, although it can be of help for a newbie.

The only reason I directed you to that site was because there is a lot of information there and people with expertise, and even a free VB "system".  However, don't expect a warm welcome if you're a system player. ;-) Laurance Scott also has a forum and site, although I don't recall its url.

Any system or method should be judged on its merits, not on the motives of those who recommend them, and since GNO isn't capable of judging any AP method, he instead chooses to attack the messenger, while at the same time promoting his own system, which has no merit at all, as can easily be proved.

By the way, if you're investigating AP, stay away from Mark Howe and Steve (owner of VLSroulette and rouletteforum-cc). They are scammers.