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MickyP

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #390 on: January 10, 2018, 08:46:28 PM »
Jesper, you are angry because you don't understand. Scepticus asked you to provide 74 ROULETTE numbers so he could use them to help you understand but you are avoiding the request. Are you afraid you may have to apologise for insulting him?
Be a sport and give him the numbers; otherwise stop posting nonsense.
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #391 on: January 10, 2018, 08:48:40 PM »
I do not know who is more drunk! I did provide numbers!

Do understand is here a polite way to say "THAT'S IS" I know you are wrong, but give a chance to  do it right without a gun.
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #392 on: January 10, 2018, 09:00:47 PM »
I'll have some of whatever you are drinking or smoking...hahaha

You didn't give roulette numbers. You counted from 1 to 72. At least you can count...lol

 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #393 on: January 10, 2018, 09:47:08 PM »
You are not doing your credibility in this forum any good Jesper by your evasions. Like some others you make allegations without producing evidence to support them .
Actually, what I was going to show you was the simple one of waiting until 8 of the 9 Blocks Hit and then betting the other one  until burst or  prior win. Hit and Run as they say, then moving to another table and do likewise.
Somehow, I think even you could manage to do that.
You may regard me as an idiot but I am the only one , so far, who was prepared to bet in a REAL casino and with REAL money with others watching . I challenged two Advantage Players to do likewise and they chickened out.
 Unlike others in the forum I not only Talk the Talk but Walk the Walk .
 
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #394 on: January 11, 2018, 06:50:52 AM »
I for one appreciate Jesper's presence on this forum because although he posts many systems, unlike most others he doesn't try to pretend that he has "beaten the game". He freely admits it's really down to luck. Scepticus has tried to explain his nine block system many times, but nobody understands it. In truth, I don't think he understands it himself.

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You may regard me as an idiot but I am the only one , so far, who was prepared to bet in a REAL casino and with REAL money with others watching . I challenged two Advantage Players to do likewise and they chickened out.
 Unlike others in the forum I not only Talk the Talk but Walk the Walk .

Such a challenge is just more "talking the talk". To "walk the walk" you would have to show mathematically WHY your system wins consistently, if you believe it does.
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #395 on: January 11, 2018, 08:54:52 AM »
Point taken Mike.

Scep did ask for 74 roulette numbers so he could attempt to resolve Jesper's lack of understanding which I thought was fair. The insults were in poor taste. Your presumption that he doesn't understand his own system is demeaning to say the least.

If you are a maths boffin why don't you rather offer assistance instead of sowing doubt?

This is a sore point that rears it's ugly head every now and then on the forum. People trash other people's ideas and concepts without providing valid rational reasons for doing so. How are the user's of the forum supposed to learn and make good "calculated" decisions without the facts on the table. Scep was trying to provide this.

I for one was looking forward to the 74 number test/explanation. This could have possibly resolved the issue and we could have had a better insight of the system and maybe it could have generated meaningful questions that could have led to even you better understanding it.
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #396 on: January 11, 2018, 10:10:43 AM »
People trash other people's ideas and concepts without providing valid rational reasons for doing so. How are the user's of the forum supposed to learn and make good "calculated" decisions without the facts on the table. Scep was trying to provide this.

Some people just don't understand math and probability, and worse, they think they do and won't listen to those who do understand it. I and others have had discussions with scepticus before about his theories which ran for pages and pages, so it's not as though I haven't tried to understand what he's talking about. You can lead a horse to water...

For instance, he thinks that roulette players can use information about past spins to help them predict future spins, comparing it with horse racing. He doesn't seem to realize that sports betting is not at all like roulette because in roulette the odds and probabilities are fixed - looking at past results doesn't help. He believes that the problem is not the house edge but variance, which again is wrong. He says nobody knows what the "long run" is, but it's been shown on this forum that the long run is not unquantifiable. There's no point in arguing with someone who stubbornly clings to misunderstandings.
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #397 on: January 11, 2018, 11:24:05 AM »
Thank you for your explanation Mike. You worded it so well. Thanks again.
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #398 on: January 11, 2018, 04:46:06 PM »
Mike
Why didn’t you reveal that you were one of the two AP in the forum that I challenged ? Because it would reveal that you are likely to be biased ?
Why don’t you reveal that my challenge was to prove that you and Mr. Perfect cannot do what you claim you can do using Advantage Play ?
I don’t understand Probability Theory ? Yet have said that when you insert a negative into a calculation then the answer is always a negative and so cannot prove we can win Mathematically . UNLESS WE USE AN ASSUMPTION  !
Your AP method cannot be proved mathematically , can it ?

Like many you are so wedded to your own way of looking at things that you cannot think anyone may think differently.
What you and my critics have yet to prove is that any of the Nine Blocks DO NOT produce three wins in one of it’s nine lines no matter the 4 results - barring a zero. So isn’t it clear that the previous one/two numbers within the four DO have a bearing on the next 2/3 ?    Mathematically !
And so it is a question of - Can we make use of this information ?
And Mike / Where in the forum has it been shown mathematically that the Long .Run is quantifiable.
And  Mike, aren’t many of  my  Posts due to replying to my critics ?
 
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #399 on: January 12, 2018, 04:44:09 PM »
If you were told that in 4 spins there would be a guarantee of 3 wins in these 4 spins, would you not be interested ? Would you not indulge in a “ What If  “ ?
Using Bayesian Theory would you not reduce the 36 Possibilities and , using 2 Virtual Bets ,  eliminate some of these Possibilities  without loss ?
Well, my critics wouldn’t . They claim that I don’t understand Maths or Probabilities .They suffer from memory loss, forgetting their previous posts which proves them inconsistent.  The latest being Mike who claims that he has given up showing where my maths are wrong. Conveniently forgetting that I proved him wrong when he claimed  that there could never be  more than 81 Sets of Three in four spins when considering dozens.
I have never claimed that this is The Holy Grail but I do claim that it is a much better approach to roulette than most in this forum. And  it needs only Flat Bets . That others don’t understand it is not my problem - only their lack of thought.
 
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #400 on: January 14, 2018, 07:42:49 AM »
So Mike chickened out of a challenge and now uses a lame excuse of you being too stubborn to learn. He has not responded to your questions either. Jesper failed to provide 74 roulette numbers, possibly for fear of being proven wrong. What does this say about these guys?
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #401 on: January 14, 2018, 08:28:04 AM »
Micky,

Scepticus is the stubborn one, not me. As I've said, I've spent hours arguing back and forth with him in the past, and I'm not going down that road again. There is no arguing with such people because they have no interest in learning the truth, only advancing their agenda and indulging in petty point-scoring, which usually degenerates into mud-slinging.

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The latest being Mike who claims that he has given up showing where my maths are wrong. Conveniently forgetting that I proved him wrong when he claimed  that there could never be  more than 81 Sets of Three in four spins when considering dozens.

Not this again. Yes, there can never be more than 81 permutations (ways of choosing 3 out of a set of 4). I even went to the trouble of listing all the sets and scepticus still didn't accept it. What can you say to guys like this? They are living in their own little world and refuse to even acknowledge that they're wrong.

Anyway, here are 74 roulette numbers, so let's see if anyone can understand his system this time, nobody has so far.

4
1
32
1
10
8
15
8
18
17
9
7
5
34
36
5
13
19
29
3
16
22
27
32
22
31
33
35
35
12
2
29
22
0
18
15
7
9
3
0
20
30
21
5
26
0
7
31
2
36
21
8
29
16
22
8
23
18
36
25
28
31
25
16
5
6
30
0
26
26
25
12
13
7
 

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #402 on: January 14, 2018, 04:10:35 PM »
At last  !  Thanks Mike. I'll respond later when I have time.
As to Sets of Three . This Spat was in this thread  and it will be found that,once again.. your memory is faulty. It was I who gave  a list that was greater than 81 and this can be verified by anyone who cares to check back. . Did you factor in the fact that we could choose TWO from one Set  with ONE from the others ?
See you later, Alligator !
Incidentally, Mike, what Agenda am I punting ? 
« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 04:24:44 PM by scepticus »
 
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #403 on: January 14, 2018, 04:14:19 PM »


 I will give one advice to both - how much effort and time you two spend with each other.
 Mix feelings and no ending discussion that will not end with some one being right or wrong.
 Been there in the past.

 Cheers
 
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #404 on: January 14, 2018, 05:14:42 PM »
Scep How did you manage to post an external link. This forum, wouldn't let me do it