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#### Sputnik

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##### Reduce the house edge!
« on: March 31, 2015, 03:23:14 PM »

I still search for ways to play without losing to much, so i can collect data from the wheel.
This is one way i still test and are curios about.

I quote Snowman:

Some roulette facts:

Here's the real deal on past spins influencing future spins. The following information is based on a REAL ROULETTE WHEEL WITH A LIVE DEALER. On these wheels the rotor did NOT alternate spin direction- (every other spin like they do in EU).

The following information does NOT pertain to an RNG based wheel or the random game of roulette. In other words, no electronic machines.

I can tell you the facts, based on my experience, as they pertain to a real wheel. Here they are, like them or not.

1. If a number has hit within the last five spins, it really is slightly more likely to hit on the next spin.

2. Simply playing the last five numbers to have hit will slightly reduce the house edge, especially when the wheel speed is close to the speed of the previous spin. In rare cases, you can get a small edge on some wheels playing this way.

3. The dealer's pick up and release of the ball is not random, like someone on this board had stated. As a matter of fact, it will quickly spike out beyond five standard deviations in a short period of time for most dealers, if you take the time to measure it.

Here's a small example below.

30000 trials. (This is just one wheel. Each wheel and sample varies some. Overall, the effect is real.)(Wheel make is a Huxley Mark Series with moveable fret ring). (Date 2007 to 2009)(Right handed)

Betting the last seven numbers to have hit.
Edge reduces to -1.29

Max loss run 37
Max DD 4871

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Betting the last five numbers to have hit.
Edge reduces to -1.79

Max loss run 52
Max DD 4209

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Betting the last three numbers to have hit.
Edge .02

Max loss run 85
Max DD 1555

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Betting the last number only.
Edge 5.17

Max loss run 85
Max DD 1555

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 03:56:15 PM »

I get very nice results playin the last seven numbers, see for your self:

Huxley with low frets, single zero wheel
Ball 18 mm Teflon
Ball cw and rotor acw
Release number zero

Sample 1

12
26
26
32
17
14
34
36
27
29
23
27
29
16
11
34
28
27
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25
29
17
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32
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36
34
7
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31
9
36
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29
13
6
32
22
10
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3
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35
6
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1
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0
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29
1
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1
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1
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34
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32
10

Sample 2

10
5
29
26
1
34
8
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8
32
33
10
0
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29
12
3
30
2
36
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34
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4
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3
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35
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#### weird

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 03:47:34 AM »
Hi Sputnik,
with respect.

I think,
Instead of trying to search for way to beat the edge,

search for bet selection that will always produce "balance after a long run",

for a selection , that "balance after a long run",
already beat the EDGE!

I see that u already had the selection,

And  u already reliased that long ago!

and u just jesting to see if someone realise them?

#### MickyP

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 07:25:52 PM »
Hi Sputnik

I know this is a very old post but non-the-less an important post in my opinion. It's good to see that you have used live B/M data to test your observations and approach. That in my eyes is a credible test.

You noted that the spin direction was constant throughout the tests undertaken. Have you tested this approach with alternating spin directions? If so, I'd be interested to find out what you obseved and how this influenced your approach.

For the amount of spins recorded there where obviously many croupier changes. Was there much of a swing in results with different croupiers? If so, did these swings balance out over the duration of the test?

I have noticed a very similar data trend from the B/M casinos I visit and have also noticed many players betting on 5 numbers  (hit number and two neighbours on both sides) with frequent wins. I could tell by their bet placements and the timing of bet placements that they were working to capitalise on dealer signature more than following a static system/strategy.

I hope new life can be given to this post as I see it as a bridge that will assist serious players to cross over from system play into the space of advantaged players where they will be able to learn more skills from the masters

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#### Fyodor

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 01:38:47 AM »
A BRIDGE? -What sort of bridge?
I am a serious roulette player, and roulette is All about the numbers, and here, they just don't add up, although the brief 100+100 sample list proved interesting.
To clarify, I play roulette with discipline and to a schedule that is (a) a period of concentration and (b) allows away-from-table recuperation.
I play against the table, not against myself and do not have favorite numbers, sectors or colors.
I address between 85-100 spins per session, 4 times/days per week, and visit the casino, (wherever I am) around 35 weeks per year.
Total spins addressed, between 12250 and 14000 per year, so, the previously mentioned 30000 would take around 2 and a half years for me to compile.
Now, to those last two 100 spin lists.
I applied a discipline grid to those sequences and, on a total outlay of 800 units, returned a (paper) profit from 29coups @ 35 to one for a net result of 244 units.
Just for fun, lets (hypothetically) extrapolate that number to the mentioned 30000 (live?) spins, and guesstimate a result of 42000 units net profit.
I trust the original sequence produced similar or comparitive results for those 1000 hrs of play.

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#### kav

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 02:54:21 AM »
Fyodor,

If you want to start a new topic where you explain your principles in playing roulette I'd be very interested in reading it.

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#### MickyP

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 07:23:41 AM »
So I've managed to bridge an interesting topic to an equally interesting response even if it took two years.

If you feel comfortable in the place you're at now as a serious player with no need to learn any more or try and improve your game then there was no need to respond. And equally no need to be on roulette forums. Roulette forums are a place to share and learn with an eye on bettering your game.

#### Reyth

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 01:40:58 PM »
Hey Fyo, great post!

This reminds me of this post:

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=611.msg8047#msg8047

What do you think?

I know Dobble tends to play this way as well...

#### Fyodor

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 12:39:24 PM »
Hi Reyth, Interested to read any and all posts on roulette strategies, and that one was different.
The only advantage I have discovered, relating to EC's, is that there are 7 doubled odd numbers on an EU wheel, against 6 doubled even numbers. That is the weakest link I can find in the HE thing,
I look for "bog" patterns on a 10×10 result chart, and exploit them if I can.
Yes Kav, I will start a thread/post to describe it.
Re the top post, Sputnik, where on earth can we play a B&M without contra-spin, where the RP is always zero? That sounds like heaven to me.
And, MickyP, when I say I am a serious player, it is because I try to learn more about the game every day, research and apply it, when ever I get the chance.
Advantage players aren't rocket scientists, tho they might be, they are life students of chance.
Then, just when you get a manageable grip on the game, the greedy moguls do this to you, and it's back to the drawing board.

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Reduce the house edge!
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2017, 03:39:12 PM »
I've never been in a math class where the "number" 00 apeared on any number line...

I must say, it does look pretty though...