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#### Possum

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##### Kavouras bet
« on: March 11, 2015, 12:39:06 AM »
Kav, you are a genius! Thank you for sharing your bet. I've been working with it for about a week now, and I've made more money than ever before. I was using a couple of strategies that were making me a small steady income, but this is better than anything I've ever seen. It took me a while to figure out a method for the bet, but I'm finding the 'waiting for 5 losses' works well. I'm also categorizing results by 'complete loss, one unit win, 4 unit win, and split'. I find that this works well because it shows me how long it has been since the last split. After a split win, I double the bet just once, win or lose. I often have 2 split wins in a row. Thanks again, and I look forward to seeing your strategies for using the bet.

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#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 10:24:23 AM »
One of the basic rules of a strategy is "start betting after a loss session".

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 11:12:46 AM »
I was taking a look at this 'Kavouras Bet' this morning and there is one thing in particular that caught my eye.

Some of you may know about the 8 groups of numbers and their position around the wheel as follows.

1,3,5,7,9 are all red, odd, low to the left of zero.
2,4,6,8,10 are all black, even, low to the right of zero.
11,13,15,17 are all black, odd, low to the right of zero.
12,14,16,18 are all red, even, low to the left of zero.
19,21,23,25,27 are all red, odd, high to the right of zero.
20,22,24,26,28 are all black, even, high to the left of zero.
29,31,33,35 are all black, odd, high to the left of zero.
30,32,34,36 are all red, even, high to the right of zero.

The groups that are covered in the Kavouras bet....

11,13,15,17 = full coverage.
(29), 31, 33, 35 = full coverage apart from 29.
30, 32, 34, 36 = full coverage.

The groups not covered in the Kavouras bet....

(20), 22, 24, 26, 28. Only the 20 is covered.
19, 21, 23, 25, (27). Only the 27 is covered.

other groups.

(2), 4, 6, ( , 10. Only the 2 and 8 are covered.
(1), (3), 5, 7, 9. Only the 1 and 3 are covered.

I mention these groups because they do have the tendency to streak bringing out most of the numbers in the group in a short space of a time. So you could get some idea of when to play the Kavouras Bet or not by monitoring these groups and seeing which ones are appearing and which ones not appearing.

Thanks

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#### kav

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 01:28:12 PM »
@Possum,

Hello and welcome to our forum.

• Thank you truly very much for your kind words.
• I'm happy you are winning with the Kavouras bet and that you have developed your own strategy around it. Two general rules: play in trusted casinos and be prepared for the losing session from hell.
• I'm sure other people are using the Kavouras bet selection as well, but didn't care to drop a word here.
• I'm also sure than many players haven't ever tried it, not even once, although they have read about it. We are so hooked on reading new systems and always look for the next big thing. There have been presented various worthwhile systems in this forum like the Belgian thread and elsewhere, yet we easy lose sight, and the newest (worthless) stuff makes the good stuff "obsolete". Sometimes I think that we actually prefer to "read" and "develop" systems and generally enjoy more the discussion, than actually beating the game. Someone once said that, even if the "holy grail system" were published in a forum, none would actually realize it and use it ;-) I tend to agree.
• I plan to post the full Kavouras strategy in a micro site, but that will require paid membership. I hope to launch it before the summer.
@Genner
Very interesting number analysis, thanks. I think it also confirms the chaotic nature of the bet selection. As I explained before the is a big difference between a chaotic and a "fair" or "balanced" distribution of numbers. If one wants a balanced distribution of the numbers on the wheel, then there is no better choice than the Red or Black numbers. If one looks for chaos, then Kavouras is as good as it gets IMO.
Play!
« Last Edit: March 11, 2015, 01:30:34 PM by kav »

#### ResinRat2

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2015, 10:36:33 PM »
I tried for several weeks experimenting on luckylive with the Kavouras bet, trying to develop some type of system to make it work. Sometimes I would get a good number of hits in a short time, sometimes not. Beside raising and lowering the bet several ways, I always tried to keep the bet in ratio balance to the original bet. If I went up one chip, or doubled one chip, I did the same for all of them. Sometimes I had good wins on luckylive, most of the time not. It always seemed to creep downward in the total of my bankroll.

In the end, because I am shying away from auto-wheels, (I do not bet at a live casino at these compute screens,) I find it very difficult to place the bet down over and over again on a real table. Unless I have perfect table placement (right in the middle of the table) I cannot fight over everyone to place the bet, and trying to have the dealer place the out of reach bets for me just is not time-possible.

I wonder if anyone else had trouble with this. The stress of getting the chip placement down again and again is tedious and exhausting. I know eight chips placed down doesn't seem too bad, but getting them down when a lot of other chips are on the table and the reaching of the other players arms was beyond my ability. I gave up on it.

#### kav

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2015, 11:03:13 PM »
I find it very difficult to place the bet down over and over again on a real table. Unless I have perfect table placement (right in the middle of the table) I cannot fight over everyone to place the bet, and trying to have the dealer place the out of reach bets for me just is not time-possible.

I wonder if anyone else had trouble with this. The stress of getting the chip placement down again and again is tedious and exhausting. I know eight chips placed down doesn't seem too bad, but getting them down when a lot of other chips are on the table and the reaching of the other players arms was beyond my ability. I gave up on it.

That's very interesting comment ResinRat.
I have no great problem betting the bet in busy tables if I'm determined to play, but I get your point. My advice:
• If you stay long enough on a table (10+ spins) some people will leave and you can increase you territory or improve your position on the table.

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2015, 12:39:00 AM »

I guess you need to be a bit pushy in this game. I found myself each time locating the best seat available and basically staying there throughout my play. Usually at the corner or far end of the table. The dealers helped fine when asked, but placing four bets out of reach was a bit hard for me to describe quickly. My mind is not that fast and my mouth is even slower LOL!

I guess it is just my learning to get into the game,

This site is very well designed, like a work of art, with excellent pictures and articles. Just wanted also to say I appreciate very much all the hard work you put into it. The new design is pleasant to the eyes.  Well done.

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2015, 04:54:00 AM »

About the describing the bet to dealers: I have become so familiar with the bet and its fast description that sometimes I give the chips to the dealer's and describe the full bet pretty fast. Usually in a busy table I give the dealers three chips and let them put the care zero (0-1-2-3), 8-11 and 13-14 bets and I put the rest bets myself.

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#### petespin

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2015, 11:30:12 AM »
hi all , my opinion about kav bet its because the numbers on the wheel layout, have very good winning streaks and also helps the different payout levels has , but from math side its the same playing every possible 20 numbers combination , generally i think using virtual losses can be effective , in short term,cos  in long term  every system which atleast use inside numbers fails, from my side of view  outside bets  can win consistently roulette  cheers pete

#### BKS11

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2015, 11:49:56 AM »
Hi Lav

It is a truly unique betting approach. I need to check on my math here but 20 numbers covered out of 36+0=37 numbers in total. The bet would fall 20/37 is 54% of the time. So it means it has a statistical hit about 1 out of 2 attempts right.

I read some post here at this threat with this subject that waiting for 5 losses in a row. (why waiting 5 times for the not hit when the hit ratio indeed is right the way I wrote it down. I apply this bet on line a lot and it almost never happens losing 5 times in a row cause of the 54% hit rate.

In what way I should apply a progression with indeed waiting 5 times than starting with the progression betting first 1 unit if losing doubling the bet in a synchronized way the first bet has to be placed?

I would be happy to got your answer on this? If you want me to put this in the threat too I will put the question there also.

Sincerely

Stuart
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#### kav

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2015, 12:57:12 PM »
Hi Petespin and welcome to the forum.

Hi BKS,
I'm not prepared to go into the details of the full strategy at this point.
Some readers, like Possum, have developed their own versions, which seem successful to them.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2015, 12:59:11 PM by kav »

#### BKS11

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2015, 06:30:04 PM »

Hope you will one day add the information about the betting how to use it in possible combinations of different systems all mixed together.  I see the statistical hit ratio and based upon that this bet is a better than even money game. Therefore you could bet an up when you win progression and have certain back to base levels based upon the sequences of winning and losing  the bet. Just pondering.  I just do not understand Possum waiting for 5 losses than start betting. Cause the win rate is higher than losing 5x in a row.

I can understand it from playing life having to put up \$5 as base bet but on line I can start with \$0.10

Good luck and hopefully Possum can give me some advice too.

Stu

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2015, 10:15:19 PM »
Hi Lav

It is a truly unique betting approach. I need to check on my math here but 20 numbers covered out of 36+0=37 numbers in total. The bet would fall 20/37 is 54% of the time. So it means it has a statistical hit about 1 out of 2 attempts right.

I read some post here at this threat with this subject that waiting for 5 losses in a row. (why waiting 5 times for the not hit when the hit ratio indeed is right the way I wrote it down. I apply this bet on line a lot and it almost never happens losing 5 times in a row cause of the 54% hit rate.

In what way I should apply a progression with indeed waiting 5 times than starting with the progression betting first 1 unit if losing doubling the bet in a synchronized way the first bet has to be placed?

I would be happy to got your answer on this? If you want me to put this in the threat too I will put the question there also.

Sincerely

Stuart
Waiting for a few losses  (virtual loss), before betting with actual money is the best  way  to avoid  a possible bad streak, which can be very expensive. For the Kavouras bet  system, since it involves 20 numbers, waiting for 5 virtual losses is unrealistic. You might have to wait for a very long time to see 5 losses before you start betting. Most likely 1 or 2 virtual  losses makes more sense. But what makes  much more sense is to limit the numbers of actual bets to only a few steps. Like 2 or 3.
Then you have to stop and continue in another cycle. It is highly unlikely that you will lose 2 or 3 bets after 2 virtual losses, in consecutive situations. Losing 2 or 3 bets once in a while can be recovered eventually. Continuing non stop chasing those 20 numbers in a single session, might result in a big damage when you meet the black swan. Every system has (and the player have to determine that), a winning range. Then you bet on the range in which most frequent wins have been observed after long time testing. As an extra precaution you can forego the first steps of a winning range (missing some winning opportunities), and bet the remaining range where the possibility to win is even higher.
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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2015, 11:32:22 PM »
Hi Palestis,

I find very interesting your concept of "winning range"
"Every system has (and the player have to determine that), a winning range. Then you bet on the range in which most frequent wins have been observed after long time testing. As an extra precaution you can forego the first steps of a winning range (missing winning opportunities), and bet the remaining range where the possibility to win is even higher"

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##### Re: Kavouras bet
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 02:01:20 PM »
I have made an excel analyze program.

Take your own conclusions. Kav I will send you the program

I have also another solution for programming the Kavouras bet. It is possible to play the bet also with my SSB principle. Next time i shall publish such a program