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#### Mike

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2018, 11:39:28 AM »
Anyway, back to the OP. The reason why such a question is even asked is because the word "independent" is taken to mean :

independent (vs. dependent) -- (free from external control and constraint; autonomous.

So on this definition there seems to be a conflict between independence so defined and the observation that we DON'T see 20 numbers in a row or 300 reds, etc. Since we don't see such things (it is argued), then outcomes cannot be "independent" after all, because if there were no "constraints", then such events would commonplace.

The trouble is that this definition of independence is not the same as the definition of the technical term "statistical independence". So we have endless meaningless arguments which are never resolved because they are merely verbal disputes.

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#### kav

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 12:09:21 PM »
Good point.

Independent from previous spins vs independent of any factors (dealer etc.)

#### shapecode99

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2018, 10:27:45 AM »
i think this should be in here..

f you guys are tracking/playing/testing streets i.e. DS, DOZ, quads, splits, Cols etc... then that's no difference in tracking an RNG.

having said that.. there is no "DUE" or "probability", "Std Devt'n" etc..  that will come next on the table layout.  Its ALL in the wheel.

so even if you test your strategy as mentioned above in a thousand times... still no difference in tracking a random numbers or say RNG even though its from a live dealer.

#### Mike

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2018, 10:48:30 AM »
there is no "DUE" or "probability", "Std Devt'n" etc..  that will come next on the table layout.  Its ALL in the wheel.

Shapecode,

This makes no sense. The layout is just as much subject to probabilities as the wheel. In fact, the wheel is just another layout, and vice-versa, as far as the random game is concerned. If you're talking about physics and AP then of course the layout should be ignored, but as regards systems, it makes no difference; a number is a number whether viewed from its position on the wheel or layout.
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#### shapecode99

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2018, 11:04:35 AM »
i would not argue with that Mike.

the wheel layout is the true layout to track.
the table layout is there to track all the outside and even chances bets.

if you are tracking the table layout... that's fine. but you are not connected to wheel anymore. Just pure randomenes

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2018, 02:14:02 PM »
The roulette random number row has no begin and no end. This means that every row is a very smal part of the endless row.20 Numbers in a row  has a  chance of 1/37^20 .On the long it can happens. Short run rows are part of the long run but have different features.

#### GIAJJENNO

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2018, 04:58:59 PM »
I think roulette has release point because is startod to play in 1796 I am sure roulette will have stopball too. Between them we must win.

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2018, 02:29:39 AM »
fyodor,

where is that  picture from? wow! the most I've ever seen!

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2018, 05:07:03 PM »
fyodor,

where is that  picture from? wow! the most I've ever seen!

I can see such thing every week in my bm casino as their machine is spoiled and display repeated numbers multiple times. Like last month someone just entered the casino and saw 0 has repeated 6 times on screen, he betted very big on zero. And then later realized his mistake. Cost him much

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##### Re: If each spin is truly independent why is it
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2018, 09:24:32 PM »

Nice one SugTips ...

cheers
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