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sam41

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Would this work?
« on: March 11, 2018, 04:12:52 PM »
This idea must have been floated before so just want to see if anyone can advise if its effective or not before I play it. EC betting,  1 unit. Win, 2 units.  Win, 3 units and so on.

When you lose you switch to what just hit but reduce a unit. As you lose you keep reducing til back to 1 unit. But on a win you increase back to the new high point you would have reached.

So for example :

1 unit, win
2, win
3 win
4 lose
3 lose
2 win
5 win
6 win
7 lose
6 lose
5 lose
4 win
8 win

And so on.

I would play by scouting a wheel for an EC that has been fairly well split for a while to try and catch a winning streak on one chance. Then when at new high look at other ECs or wheels,  so a bit like hit and run.

 
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 07:16:40 PM »
Yes this is very interesting.  It reminds me of this well known system:

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg27051#msg27051

But actually you are referring to the D'Alembert, right?

Here is a nice one:

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=715.msg10320#msg10320

« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 07:23:27 PM by Reyth »
 

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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 10:35:28 PM »
Interesting approach switching back to a new high after a win.  Took me a minute to figure out what you were doing.  I think it's definitely worth testing out and see how it goes

Another good progression for this would be parlay winnings for the next bet after a win.  Raise your bet by 1 as you're already doing, but parlay winnings to next spin can help you quickly recover.  Those streaks have to come through sometime  :)
« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 10:39:23 PM by Scarface »
 
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 10:47:14 PM »

Here's what I mean

So for example :

1 unit, win = +1
2, win =+3
3 win = +6
4 lose = +2
3 lose =-1
2 win = parlay winnings here to next bet which is 4 units
5 win = +17 (so with the parlay of 4 plus 5, you win 18)
6 win
7 lose
6 lose
5 lose
4 win

You don't have to parlay all the winnings, just enough to get to profit, or new high.  Sorry, just a suggestion, not trying to change it.  I like this idea!
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 11:22:04 PM »
Well I tested my method a little bit tonight online, and it did work but I could also see the potential for where it could go wrong. I had a very nice run early on blacks where I won 5 times in a row and made 25 units (3, 4, 5, 6, 7) and as I had quite a nice high profit I decided to revert back to 1 unit at this point and its good I did as it went to red. I then had a look at noticed odds and evens had been fairly evenly distributed for a while, so I switched to them hoping there would be a streak of just one of these coming up. It didn't happen but I didn't go down too far as I was getting a lot of pairs hitting and after 3 in a row hit I was about even again.

So then on another wheel I went back to colours, and this time had a bad run where they kept alternating. I was up to 6 units and kept losing working my way down until after losing 1 unit I just sat out and waited for the same colour to hit twice in a row. When it did, I went back in at 7 units and again, kept losing! I mean you could stop after a few goes of this and just wait for 2 in a row to come then re-enter with your new high bet. But quite often if you lose and reduce by 1 unit you can make up most of the loss immediately. However if you start high you might want to stop reducing by 1 unit after say, 3 or 4 lost spins and just wait for what you hope to be a streak coming up.

Anyway I kept going and again found myself back down to 1 unit before I got a win, so that's 2 long runs in a row where I lost every time. That said, my streak now came in and started on 8 units, then 9, then 10 all winners. Five reds in a row. But I was still not fully recovered - this creates a problem, do you risk carrying on with reds or now look for another EC to switch to?

I switched to odds and evens at this point. I had a mixture of wins and losses as I progressed to 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 units but never fell too far down and ultimately recovered back to about where I had started.

At this point I stopped using the system as I felt while it can work very well it can also be quite risky. I think with a better wagering plan it could work better, perhaps as I say you stop betting after 3 losses and wait to re-enter, or perhaps cap the high betting point at 10 units so even as you decrease on losses, when you win instead of going to a new high unit wager, you just go back to 10 and hope for 2 or 3 wins in a row which should still recover most of your money if not all.

I don't think this is a HG system but its got potential - feels like its a combination of D'Alembert and Oscars Grind. 
 
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2018, 12:18:05 AM »
This worked for me today, I had one round which took ages but it got there in the end. You can lose quite a bit and still recover as soon as you win 4 times in a row. Even if you get 3 in a row, lose, then get 2 wins in a row you are right back in it. The long streaks on one EC do come eventually. I try to look for an EC that has been hitting fairly evenly for a while but I think sometimes if one EC has been hitting a lot it can be worth sticking with it, because then the other EC can begin to hit a lot in line with the distribution curve requirements.

Also in my long run I capped myself at 10 units, but then got 3 wins in a row with 10 so increasing would have been to my advantage! Typical! But 10, 11, 12....doesn't really make much difference when the wins come thick and fast :)
 
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2018, 07:53:54 AM »
If u re lookling to earn few units then its fine but the problem with ec bets is that when bad day comes u ll lose all your winnings plus more , better play no more than 12 numbers thus 1/3.
 

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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2018, 11:17:18 AM »
This is reverse or contra D'Alembert

See also this idea: Multiple Parolis
« Last Edit: April 01, 2018, 11:28:23 AM by kav »
 
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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2018, 03:36:18 PM »
Nope, too many numbers.

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Re: Would this work?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2018, 04:15:40 PM »


 Sam41 i recommend you to buy a book that test 60.000 placed bets with different staking plans.
 Some results end up in the positiv area with 1.7% house edge.

 The books name is  Conquer The Casinos By Philip Koetsch
 "Computer Analysis Of succesful Gaming Strategies"

 Cheers