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Jesper

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How to try to save the bank long enough?
« on: February 28, 2018, 03:25:27 PM »

As most of us know, the real bad runs can take a toll. Using a negative
progression can if we meet a dispersion rapid wipe out any bankroll.

There should be bad or good runs, so we have to try to lose as small bets
we can, and get better as we win.

That is easier to say then do. Even a method which sounds very good
on the paper will get runs which is hard or impossible to win.

As an Example:
A method which use 1000 units bank, and will guaranty even in the
worst case it will last well over 1000 spins, probably even 2000
and still we have a bad run as we did not hit.

The method also guarantee  we will be a head if we during the
play until the bank should be gone, need just to win twice in a row once.
Like Martingale, but can stand much more losses and most of the bets
are very low. A double hit is all it will need.

We bet from EC to Straight ups.

There is no risk of hitting table max.

Such a method win very often, it use to win small, but still
the outcome can be we do not even hit that two times in
far over 1000 spins.

We win often, and at the time we lose, we have at least last long,
between 1000 and 3000 spins.

I have been working with different ways of stand dispersion, and
found several ways, which this is one. Still not sure it will win.
 
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 11:17:39 PM »
Maybe a parlay betting system (opposite of martingale).  Can keep you in the game longer with the minimum bet.  All you need is 2 wins in a row.

For example, say you are betting 1 unit on a single street.  If you win, and parlay your winnings on next bet, then 1 unit will win 156 units.  So, in other words, you can go 156 spins without a hit only betting a single unit! 

So what happens if you don't get a hit in 156 spins?  Then you can raise the wager to 2 units.  Now, if you get 2 hits in a row (parlay winnings on 2nd bet), you will win 312 units....that gives you an additional 78 spins for a total of 234 spins in all and you're only up to betting 2 units.

The good thing about the parlay bet is it keeps the minimum bet low...All you need is 2 hits in a row.  You can come up with your own method, doesn't have to be streets.  Maybe start with evens, then dozens, double streets, quads, then streets.  Lots of ways to do this.  A back to back hit on a single number with 1 unit wins 1332 units (but I wouldn't get to a single, because really no one will play that many spins in a session)
 
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 11:26:34 PM »
Another way I play sometimes is raising my bet after a losing session.  Example:  play 4 numbers for 9 spins.  If it hits continue with same wager.  If no hit, bet 4 numbers for 9 more spins.  Now, if it hits once, keep wager same....If it hits twice, you're in profit, so start over...If no hit, then raise wager to 2 units for 9 more spins.  Basically, after any no hit session, double bet.  If a session hits twice, you're in profit for the entire game, so start over.

Can play 4 numbers for 9 spins, 3 numbers for 12 spins, or 2 numbers for 18 spins...it's all the same.  As long as you get 2 hits in that session you're in profit.  If no hit in the session, raise bet
 
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 08:13:24 AM »

As you have guessed, that must be positive progressions, and parlay involved.
There is some more, because if the bet should average below 1 unit, and the session should
be won first time we have a double hit, it can not be just a parlay. We could be back so
much it would need a bet which is high or have low chance to hit.

This may be hard to explain for me as English is my third language, I will try.

We allways bet just one unit until a win.
We only make higher bet after a win, and that should if hit end the session.
We allways use the bet with the most possible numbers, to reach the target.
We never bet more than last payout (win from a 1 unit bet).

We start using any EC. If we win we are a head and end the session.
If we lose we continue with one unit on any EC, next spin.
If we win we are break even and reset (or do the parlay, in order to end the session).
If we lose we are two back, and next bet should be:

The bet which with highest cover, and no more stake than last won bet.
We are two back, and a parlay on the EC would be break even, which
will not end the session. We can use the EC and reset from break even.
Rather we move the parlay one step up to the dozen bet.
If we win we are a head.
If we lose we revert to an EC bet and bet one unit.

We can stay at the EC until we are 72 units back.
We read the balance, and figure out the parlay bet.
If we are 16 back and from a win on an EC it is two units,
we need to win at least 17 units next bet.
That call for two units on a quad.

In short we stay placing one unit on the bet which works to go a head
until that is not possible more, then we go to next higher bet.
We can stay at the EC until 70 below start balance.
After a win on the EC we try then 2 units on a single.

We move then to dozen, and  place one unit until a win,
and there we have three units to place next bet.

We can move up from the EC, a bit earlier, to delay the split or
single bet, as we get three units on a dozen it cover 18 on a double street,
and only 12 from an EC. Some judgment to do!

We chose when to accept a loss, we are not forced to do so until we are
more than 1200 units back, calling for a single won parlay.

The method will need some practice in fun mode, as it is possible
to use more than one decision how to do the next bet.

We have to bet allways so we are home in two wins in a row, and only
one unit is bet except from the parlayed (which is not allways done at the
same bet level).

In some cases we may parlay a few, as we will be well a head anyhow.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2018, 08:26:37 AM by Jesper »
 
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 10:53:31 AM »

Nice topic
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 01:22:45 PM »

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ec dz    6
ec ds    12
ec qu    18
ec st    24
ec sp    36
ec si    72
dz dz    9
dz ds    18
dz qu    27
dz st    36
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Here we have all possible ways of parlay.
As we see we can in some cases making
more than one attempt. If we need 600 to
come a head and we hit a single, we can
do the parlay by revert to a split,
or try twice with half on a single.
We will not often come here, but
it will happen.

I other cases when we have a situation when the
next bet on a DS will hardly recover, we can put one
chip on the ds, and one on a quad within the ds.
Instead of 2 on the quad. We will if we hit the
quad be ahead  well, and if we hit the ds outside the quad
we recover some, and take the rest next time we
win on the ec.
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 06:09:41 PM »


As most of us know, the real bad runs can take a toll. Using a negative
progression can if we meet a dispersion rapid wipe out any bankroll.

This statment above i don't understand Jesper - it is almost impossible to wipe out a bankroll ...
I will show you a simple example following my self and John Patricks methodology.

The bankroll decide your unit size - not you!

3000 Euro

Divide into three parts and bring 1000 as your daily bankroll to the casino
Then you divide the bankroll into five session games with 200 each
Also add a 50% loss limit
So we can operate with 100 Euro for each session
We might play five or less

No matter what happens you will bring 500 Euro home

So with 100 Euro you can flat betting with 10 units with a value of 10 Euro each
If you use a smooth progression you can use 5 Euro or less, give 20 units or more

Now if you decide to use negative progression you have to play with 0.1 Euro as unit size and the only table that offers such low minimum is Air Ball Machine
Now if you bust one session with negative progression you would be minus 100.

Then comes risk management, you would stop using that method and do something else or go home.
But sure there is variations - you could use 400 with 50% loss limit and use 200 for one session.
Again risk management taking a bite from your bankroll.

How much do you risk and what is return of investment?

For example sportbetting with edge 107.4 ROI after 3000 placed bets - i know i will win money flatbetting and risk 2000 Euro placing 10 Euro bets - i would need to lose 200 times in a row to bust - would never happen and i would never wipe out my bankroll.

Now risk management - i would allow variance to give me drawdowns around 200 to 300 but if i hit 800 i would stop and start asking my self if all does recommendations from respected members was a scam and was the 107.4 ROI just fantasy numbers.

That never happen and i made profit.

With Bankroll Management and Risk Management you have the control over your games and money invested.
My opinion is that some one is making big mistakes losing all hes money to the casino or getting hes bankroll wipe out - would never happen to me - never.

Cheers
« Last Edit: March 01, 2018, 06:14:38 PM by Sputnik »
 
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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 07:25:44 PM »
Sputnik, I do not need a Besserwiser. I post this just as an example. I have done close to 2000 sessions in a row won. Have not since 10 years lost a bankroll. Still that is a common problem, that is why I post. I am here incognito, and just share, not searching any advice, and that is from you and a lot of others.

You may have seen I post methods, and do not sell, do not master if I am not target before. It is common here with besserwisser. I see often answers in my posts which has little to do with the method, rather show an Ego or find a victim to gain from.
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 10:27:34 PM »
Jesper, I really like the parlay bet even though I haven't played it much.  Like other bet selections there is so many ways this can be played.  I'm still trying to find a good system to work with using this
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 10:33:55 PM »

The bankroll decide your unit size - not you!

3000 Euro

Divide into three parts and bring 1000 as your daily bankroll to the casino
Then you divide the bankroll into five session games with 200 each
Also add a 50% loss limit
So we can operate with 100 Euro for each session
We might play five or less

No matter what happens you will bring 500 Euro home

So with 100 Euro you can flat betting with 10 units with a value of 10 Euro each
If you use a smooth progression you can use 5 Euro or less, give 20 units or more

Thanks Sputnik for the bankroll suggestion.  Money management is something I always try to improve.  I have a question about your example here.  What if you lose 500 euro on day 1, do you still bring 1000 euro bank on day 2 to play using the 50% stop loss?  Or do you divide the 2500 remaining bankroll by 3, and bring 810?
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 10:35:24 PM »
Also, where do you stop on a winning session, before starting a new session?  100% profit?
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2018, 05:50:17 AM »
To "save bank"...
   Bring to casino less possible  ( only what session require) , win maximum . Bank gonna be just fine.
   Need to bother get edge and hold it, more you can hold, less important everything else.
   
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2018, 07:46:12 AM »
" Edge" , Mr.Perfect, is either there or not there. It doesn't change. If it does change then it is not a True Edge .   
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2018, 12:20:33 PM »
Sceps, in your dreaming world it may be how you wish and decide. But how it's related to roulette ?
   In real world game things are not that smooth. 
 

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Re: How to try to save the bank long enough?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2018, 02:53:39 PM »
Words! Words! Words without meaning. Mr Perfect.
Please explain how an Edge  can change !   That is the question you have to answer. - and which you avoid answering .