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Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:28:41 AM »
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When playing biased wheels the player gets the edge over the casino.  Due to the defective gaming device, some numbers hit more frequently than probability would dictate because of the bias.  This is what enables the player to get the edge.  In visual ballistics the player can also get the edge because of the accuracy of his predictions. In the end it's getting the edge that enables the player to win, not money management or the hit and run nonsense.

If that's the case then y a popular anti-system site (WIZZARDS OF ODDS), doesn't believe in bias?
That's what they say:
Before going further, let me say that I strongly believe modern roulette wheels made by top brands like Cammegh are extremely precise and any bias would be minuscule compared to the house advantage. Thus, testing a modern roulette for bias would be a total waste of time. Now, testing a 30-year-old hand-me-down wheel in a banana republic might be another story. However, you're on your own if you win a lot of money from said casino and try to leave with it.


 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 10:41:49 AM »
I think, they must have 5-10 000 tested spins in tha same wheel to know, if it is biased. After that, could reveals, that the wheel its not biased. When it is, the f*k up comes than, when you start betting, and on this they find out, or just change the wheel.
 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 10:53:14 AM »
Betting hot numbers autodetect if a bias. We will not be behind the casinos own control, we find it as it occur.
 

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 12:32:13 PM »
Guys... really, till when?
   Till when you are going to relay on somebodies opinion? Send everyone to f..ck off and figure out yourself. Go there, collect data, use excel... lern some math.
   Wizard of odds is just another Internet clown payed salary by casinos. My index finger with wich l place bets on terminals has more magic then this " wizard ".
 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 06:31:26 PM »


Mike my opinion is that selection based upon physical parameters of a particular wheel is pointless with todays conditions.
I can't see any difference with selection process using odds and probability.

Even pros who play on daily basis know this, because if there was a easy way using advantage play that was superior roulette methods the reality would look different.

There is several methods that would beat most wheels with todays conditions if there was not so much random elements involved during the estimation process with todays wheels.

For example experience ball jumps wider then half the wheel make it very difficult to find some kind of bias pattern to emerge and it does not make it more simple to read about other more experience visual ballistic players talking about ball jumps at one half on the number ring and start to talk about how to catch does spots on the wheels that clump with a slight peak.
Then you think there is no hope.

I can give personal experience and tell from others experiences that is wrong to make it sound so easy.
There is many who try and find out the hard way that visual ballistics 2018 is a dead end.

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 06:41:30 PM »
Current wheels scatter and bounce that much, it looks like a bloody pingpong-ball.

 More often it jumps out of the socket looking like the antics you would see on a rigged/controlled airball machine.
 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2018, 07:56:21 PM »
I have to agree that new nylon balls scatter and bounce like crazy. Wheel and ball rotations are just an excuse. The real random factor is the bouncing after the ball reaches the numbers track.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2018, 08:04:01 PM by kav »
 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2018, 10:16:25 PM »
You , only foregoth one small nuance - Advantage players can play the same like you, but you like they - cant.... at least tomorrow   :) ....
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2018, 10:25:37 PM »
Nilon ball is my favourite.  Only recently l learn how to play Teflon and evorene. It jumps and this is it's  main benefit. These who can not account for ball jump are doomed apriory before play.
 

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2018, 05:15:51 PM »
AP works as system, some lucky from 1000th win a lot and deny it is luck. They call it skill, and not only that, they try to get income not only from play, rather sell it   :o . I would play and may share.
 
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2018, 07:34:05 PM »
Jesper,  what would you would do, you deside when you actually get a method. For now it's just words. I do not mind to share, qwestion is with whom? These who gonna really work on it, will take their money back very qweak, probably in one session. These who not, just waste my time, and for that, l prefer to be recompensed. 
 

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 07:18:34 PM »
AP make money charging to teach something they can not do...WIN CONSISTENTLY.

Casinos manage their business and this includes maintaining their wheels. Inspecting and replacing balls happens very often. Croupier changes help to maintain the randomness of the game. Alternating spin direction and different spin speeds also contribute to the randomness of the game.

To my knowledge AP devices are not legal in casinos. Why purchase them?
How many different ways can the ball bounce? Yea, NMB is called with no time to read the bounces and place the bets.
There is a lot of mumbo jumbo mixed into AP.
AP claims are a lot worse than system player claims. You can test systems but not the so-called AP methods. There is always missing information you have to pay for...lol
Rather take your chance against the house edge; it's more honest!
 

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 07:47:04 PM »
Why try to descredit something that is obvious?  OK,  let's assume for a second that you got any other reason besides paycheck...
  Why post stupidity? Whom you address your post? If it's for brainless gamblers, they wouldn't go AP way anyway..  to much work.
   You say " how much ball can jump?" . What stops you to go to casino and chart few hundred spins? You will know for sure answer for you own qwestion and probably realise that you could do something useful instead of wasting your own time.
   If you are too lazy to do it, go to my section and look pictures, that's why l posted them there...
  " AP devices are illigal in casinos"... where exactly , in wich casinos? Ups... require work as well to find out, right?
   " AP can not win consistently "... wich AP, according to whom?  You?
 

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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 08:19:02 PM »
MrPerfect you should answer your own question on posting stupidity.

You give people no reason to invest in AP. I've had discussions with you in case you forgot. You tried to recruit me for your team. You insisted on private discussions about your methods because you are uncomfortable discussing your claims on the forum.
You have no idea who I am or claim to be. For all you know I could be working for a casino group. You'll never know but you want a private discussion with me.

What am I trying to discredit that is obvious?
Prove your obvious to the forum.

AP is too much work you say. I say it is time consuming. Nothing hard about that. You say people are lazy, maybe they are but I can't think of a more lazy job than recording spin data for hours on end trying to find something that in this day and age may not exist long enough for you to take advantage of.

AP devices are illegal in all the casinos I know. Even taking pictures with cellphones is not allowed. Don't tell me I will be able to use timers and computers openly at the tables. What B'S!
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Re: Does Bias and Advantage Play (AP) really work?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 09:29:59 PM »
I do use device openly at my hand right under the nose of dealer and pit boss, cameras...ets.
 On easy. Device is so small that it's not a problem. It's not wellcome,but not illigal where l play.   
   I do not care if you are working for casinos. You need to understand,  what l sell or show it's just tools. Ability to operate tools properly l do not give, l lend it. Even if someone will be so bright and determined to figure out how l model the game, there is much more money to be made by teaming up then wising up casinos. Team can do a lot, and team is impossible without someone understand the game properly ( game coordinator, or sindicate owner), that happens to be me ;).
   Do you think that AP is difficult because it's difficult to vb? Or collect data? Of cause no!!! Vb just show the point, many can do. To collect data need to know what is a data , how to collect it and most importantly how to process it to make reasonable desisions. .. and that is science,  my friend, science. Very screwed up one, definitely not the level that folks lern school or uni. Worst of all , it's not one branch (upplied math, upplied stats, math modeling, upplied engineering ) but all of them together! And worst of all, know formulas is not enough,  need to understand what they show. This understanding is much more important then formulas themselves. 
    And to spice it up, one needs to develop own programs as well, because hiring pro programmer for roulette projects is a joke, very bad one... not a thing l would wish anyone, really.