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Do high roller tables cheat?
« on: February 19, 2018, 12:58:30 AM »
Have read that the high roller tables are more likely to use magnets. Anyone have a view? For online and b&m please.

Are high rollers allowed to see under the wheel that nothing is there before they play?
 
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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 01:49:53 AM »
Casinos don't want to risk their license to operate.
Therefore it's not to their advantage to fix the game. Because if they could do it, someone will know about it. Dealer,  pit boss, wheel maintenance employee, manager etc.
If they ever get into a fight with casino management, or get fired or laid off, they can blackmail the casino. Or simply report it to the gaming commission, and they can unexpectedly can come and inspect the suspect wheel.
If found to be true they will be forced to close down the casino or pay a fine that will exceed the profits from such wheel 1000  fold at least.  Or even be forced to sell their license to someone else.
 
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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 08:42:52 AM »

Something to consider when wondering if casinos cheat....

Whales like Alan Bond, Kerry Packer etc  won and lost millions in their sessions. Does anyone really think that shrewd businessmen such as these would sit down at the tables and play just to waste their time if casinos cheated?
 
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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2018, 01:50:10 PM »
With all information avaliable to casino about their wheels .... why use magnets?
   There is at least a dousen ways to maximise percent in house favor.
 
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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2018, 06:22:07 PM »
Well thats good to hear. Im a long way off being a high roller but I hope to build my bankroll up to where I can be. But with a lot of suspicion around the studio only live wheels I wanted reassurance that b&m casinos don't cheat. When it comes to higher stakes its much more worth the time and effort to go to b&m and not be wondering about the fairness. Even playing online from a live casino with punters there I would be a bit worried about.
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 09:45:05 PM »
Sam....
   They do cheat. Not openly... not blatantly. Especially life studios.
  Few ideas about online...
 Think following :
    How many spins they have to "cheat" to put off tiny advantage you may have?
 How much advantage you you need in order to overcome their tricks?
    If you find answer to these qwestions, you will see what playing online is 3-5 times more difficult.  Besides it takes unreasonable amount of time to confirm simple things that you can see directly on b&m.
   Go after online only when you doing good on b&m, not before...  it requires much higher skills and understanding of the game.
 
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 11:01:57 PM »
There was a time I played as a fairly high roller online and was finding it really hard to win even £200 some days. Maybe I wasn't playing a great system but it felt to me like what had worked on smaller chips suddenly wasn't working as well on large chips, I did get some wins but ultimately had runs from hell more often. Unfortunately I was also a bit green and would then chase losses and shock, lose those bets too. So im convinced the studio only wheels do cheat but are ok if you're using low value chips.

Now im far more open to going to b& m to play and doing it properly.  Im not addicted to gambling or roulette , I only want to play if I can make good money from it. I have a good job so for me its a question of can I build up a good bankroll that starts to exceed my salary. Thats worth working hard at and doing all the right things to try and be successful. I would just be so pissed off if it failed not because I made mistakes, but because the casino was cheating and I never had a chance to win serious money because they were always going to make sure I lose.
 

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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2018, 12:26:07 AM »
Mr P do you have an opinion on playing online at tables live from a b&m casino, with other punters there? I've never tried that and as I said, would still be a bit worried - they could pull all sorts of stunts on you with the video feed, if not fixing the wheel itself. That is what worries me. Obviously it would be more convenient to play this way but again its about feeling safe and confident that you'll get a fair chance. My only worry about going to my local 2 casinos is, if I start going all the time and have a winning formula, and I play high stakes, how long before they tire of me taking their cash every day and do something about it?
 

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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 03:25:31 AM »
The only online casino I know of, with actual players playing live at the same time is the Dublinbet. 
The  numbers for the live players are also the same  for the online players.
So they can't cheat that way.
What they do is cut the live video and switch from live to RNG, claiming technical difficulties.
The numbers from the RNG are totally different from the live numbers you were following.
So your system cannot continue when the live video stops. Therefore you are forced to stop betting.
If you were losing on some progression steps when it was live you obviously can not continue the progression with the RNG numbers. So you have to accept the loss. And they can use this trick several times till you give up.
Also they cut off the internet connection to the site, and leave it off long enough, so that when you are back on line the numbers you were working with, are no longer there.
 
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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 01:34:37 PM »
Sam... before going out there and hit them hard, better to sertify that you got a winning method first.
   I teach to play , you know, already seen many with such ideas fall badly because they come there unprepared.
   Play for high stakes when it's too early is biggest mistake folks make out there.
   I would sudjest you to take preparation  to the game seriously,  especially if you are planning to play high stakes.
    Why wouldn't you to add me on Skype, so let show you some things for your consideration and maybe help you a bit to prepare for what is waiting for you out there?
 
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 08:54:56 PM »
Thanks Mr P, and this is why im asking such questions now, to help prepare.  Im not playing at all now but gearing up to it and getting my discipline right. I plan to build up from small chips each day and gradually increase them, with a stop loss that still leaves me in profit after the 4th increase in chip value.

I believe you are an advantage player but I plan to use Pales's trigger system, which has worked for me before.  Would your support not focus on AP?
 

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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 09:25:21 PM »
Of cause!  I can give you absolutely fair odds in this game, no need even play. Send me how much you wanted to bet in total,  l will send you back same amount, minus 2.73% for every bet. It will greatly economise your time and effort.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 07:42:32 AM »
I can give you idea of what is day by day of lonely AP.
    I played 6-7 hour per night online last week... 7 days in total.  I win , yes... but amount would make cry even system player. It's 7 gbp!!! SEVEN.
    Now... l got my 7 gbp and a data for entire week of reasonable play, l got profiles for dealers, wheel, 3 different balls, new type of poker separator( unfamiliar and not very friendly ), rrs patterns, likely pin hit distrebution..ets. Yes, it's an rrs wheel with bet before spin. I see 25% possible in my favor, it mean that next week l will make around 30-40k gbp before they screw up or change the wheel itself.
    It's not told for show off ( 7 pound do not help), but l was able to enjoy the game during a week without losses, just because lm AP. WEEK!!!
    Do you really think that system player would survive 20 units bankroll for that long?
   I know, many AP would brand me with bad words, because l played without knowing where advantage is... on such a wheel... who cares? My level of knowledge permit me to get zero game on any wheel.  With a data, l will play in plus, and l already got it without being 66 out.
    It's reality. Now..  systems ( without data)are dreams. It's really up to yourself, you are dreaming or you wanna get them where it feels funny ( wallet).
 

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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2018, 07:59:14 AM »
MrPerfect,

So you dont play system, but knowledge of the wheel? You study the real casino wheel, and basod on you betting or etc? I just dont get it, what AP playert really do, and HOW they do, because here I often listen, that how much they won, weekly 40k, and so on, but I dont saw any single topic from them, how and what are they doing exactly. Or how they started this. System topics are very much, and un. AP players often wrotes, that not good system, this is not good, or something is not good with system, or what system players want from roulette, and the only way is like your way, to get to know the wheel.

Thanks.
 

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Re: Do high roller tables cheat?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 11:46:07 AM »
Do you see... wheels are not perfect. They are not random,  because of that it's pointless to play them with systems.
   AP player study imperfections of the wheel and how they ( imperfections ) affect wheels randomness and predictability. Then AP use this information to his advantage , that's why this type of player is called Advantage Player. It's because he can gain advantage over the house that is higher then HE ( house edge).
    This way AP play positive expectation game. He issues prediction where ball wIll fall/ stop and he is right more times then simple expectation dictates.
   For example,  imagine 3 number bet. It has to hit by itself 1:12, as expected naturally. With prediction it starts to hit 1:10 or better , providing advantage of 20% or more. Add proper money management to explore these 20+%... and you can see how game with HE becomes profitable, if players edge is achieved.   Now think about systems..  -2.7% is on all of your bets ( you do not predict).... on average you are expected to loose 2.7% of your bets on every bet...   it's a bad byseness plan to follow, isn't it?
   You can follow my posts... l posted some references to videos and other stuff l made... so you can see yourself what this game can become if you get advantage to yourself, not the house. I do not say it's easy money, l just say it's possible.  It's a hard work... but it pays off.
 
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