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DrTalos

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System on dozens and/or columns
« on: February 12, 2018, 01:34:17 PM »
As I posted in the gambling Philosophy section, this system of mine had performed quite well, and originated with the Monty Hall paradox in mind.

The selection can be made on dozens or columns, or both. I used to play both in the same time using a notepad to keep track of numbers and totals. To simplify I show how to play with dozens, you can mirror it for the columns.

I play the last two dozens that got hit, avoiding the late one. I will use a positive progression, adding one every time I got one hit. I will add one to both dozens.
Example (actual play at b&m casino)

15
19
11 (started play now, betting one chip on 2nd and one chip on 1st dozen), total betting -2
34 betting 2, total -4
19 betting 2, total -6
13 hit, win 3, betting 4, total -7
36 hit, win 6, betting 6, total -7
16 hit, win 9, total +2. Session ended. Start betting 2, total -2
10 betting 2, total -4
3 hit, win 3, betting 4, total -5
29 betting 4, total -9
12 hit, win 6, betting 6, total -9
16 betting 6, total -15
22 hit, win 9, betting 8, total -14
19 hit, win 12, betting 10, total -12
6 hit, win 15, total +3. Session ended. Start betting 2, total betting -2
13 betting 2, total -4
33 betting 2, total -6
27 hit, win 3, betting 4, total -5
16 hit, win 6, total +1. Session ended. Start betting 2, total betting -2
25 hit, win 3, total +1. Session ended.

You got the idea. The goal is to have a series of winnings in a row, relying on the fact that we play 24 numbers out of 37/38.

I added a tweak after few weeks of playing to solve the problem for the sessions with many loss-loss-win-loss-win-loss-win... This situation of alternate winning and loss can be the nail in the coffin of the system, as you can easily imagine.
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 05:24:10 PM »
This is betting against a pattern of 1, 2, 3, but not necessarily in that order

If dozen 1 hits, then dozen 2 hits; you bet 1 and 2 against 1, 2, 3, completing the pattern.

I have analysed the dozens over thousands of spins and complete patterns do occur but are not very common at all. More common is repeating dozens and alternating repeating dozens.

The system is a grind but does produce regular wins.
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 05:31:57 PM »
I would assume that the tweak would be something like a trigger where if a certain number of losses occurs within a certain number of spins, cease betting until a certain number of wins occurs without the repeat losses?
 

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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2018, 07:47:03 PM »
Hello Drtalos,

cause it’s subject of the topic what do you think about Palestis 46 pages thread systems. It would be wise to get your input on that. I was to the conclusion after testing that the system is very strong but failing if we don’t apply some tweaks. at this moment i’m not even sure the tweaks can save us completely but maybe ... the system is very strong but one loss can make you lose tenth hours of work on the tables so a strict and efficient MM/risk reward has to be put in place as well.

kind regards

jerome
 

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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 09:43:04 PM »
Jerome.
 An opinion cannot be formed unless it's backed by long term tests. It takes a lot of work to reach solid conclusions. When Jek posted his "last time" thread many jumped in it.
When people hear about  HG it certainly draws their attention. Which leads me to believe that some players want a ready made winning system tested and confirmed and handed to them in a silver platter.  So they can take it to the casino without going thru the trouble to test it themselves.
With the dozen system I don't lose.
Others that I have told them about have lost.
It turns out they play it in a different way  to fit their IMPATIENCE and playing style.
Everybody is different.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 09:46:36 PM by palestis »
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 01:10:51 AM »
Having seen great success with kav's four pillars system,  I figured this might work similarly well and was testing it a while ago.

With four pillars we bet 23 numbers, here we bet 24. However what I found was twice in about 5 test runs, I went bust. Interestingly both times playing columns rather than dozens. But it put me off the system. Mind you I was increasing bets on wins by 1 unit up to 5 consecutive wins, then re-setting. So a loss when im up to level 5 (10 units total) would be damaging and need 2 or 3 increasing wins to recover. If at that point the dreaded WLWLWL type of sequence hits, thats what was busting me (I only  increase units after a win).

Maybe flat betting and only progressing when down protects bankroll better /longer but with these not so predictable systems I prefer to go for big wins then bail out.

Where I think four pillars has the edge on this is you have a unit on a street and 2 units on the four pillar numbers so bigger wins can be had. Obviously the outlay is greater though and a large br is necessary.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 01:13:09 AM by sam41 »
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 01:46:49 AM »
Two things.
First, I never judge system I did not play or test, like Palestis' one. I respect the hard work of everybody.
  Second, I do not like triggers, never used and I guess I never will. As other things, they do ot sound me right so I avoid the whole concept. I can be wrong. I am sure I am

 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 02:04:20 AM »
"I was to the conclusion after testing that the system is very strong but failing if we don’t apply some tweaks. at this moment i’m not even sure the tweaks can save us completely but maybe ... the system is very strong but one loss can make you lose tenth hours of work on the tables"

Tweaks is needed. What are those tweaks ?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 05:22:32 AM by Reyth »
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 02:11:48 AM »
"I have analysed the dozens over thousands of spins and complete patterns do occur but are not very common at all. "

When you play real money, strangely it becomes more common. That's why we don't play it for real money.

Aside from the creator,  can anyone tell us how long you have played the whatever doz/col system and how is your result. TQ
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 05:22:57 AM by Reyth »
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 10:02:36 PM »
at this moment i’m not even sure the tweaks can save us completely but maybe ... the system is very strong but one loss can make you lose tenth hours of work on the tables"
Tweaks is needed. What are those tweaks ?
When I posted the system I did not dwell on the progression. I left it open  for each player to use his own progression style, I dwelled on the high win/loss ratio.  The loss you describe is the result of a rare occasion where many back to back losses take a big chunk out of the winnings, because a long and steep progression was used.
But personally,  I don't worry about that at all.
Because I make extensive use of "virtual losses". With very few exceptions, I play no system without the use of virtual losses.
And since many members either don't believe in virtual losses or they hate missing winning opportunities, I did not push the issue.
The down side is that it requires a lot of patience. Which I have plenty of. (If it results in winning).
I don't  play for fun or adrenaline. Winning is the only option. And I will do whatever it takes, so when I bet winning is the only option.
So if you are looking for a tweak this is the best tweak that I can recommend

 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2018, 09:50:48 AM »
This betting system is trapping the 1 of the 3 movements that govern randomness.
You have to also trap the other 2.
You need to find out through testing on real spins when to alter the bet.
And forget about progressions... Progressions are for losers.
If a betting method is superior than betting randomly...then it will be winning flat.
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 12:44:15 PM »
it’s a system i already tried but failing at the end cause of the situation you explained of killing wlwlwllwl the big trap of all positive progressions in facts. So yes a tweak has to be applied and found like waiting to win in a row before betting but i think i simulated too and it didn’t make any difference or stay one more bet at the same value of chip. Maybe the best direction is to play another bet in parallel to trap this particular situation but can we achieve a positive ratio at the end ?

jerome
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 09:09:57 PM »
I will post the tweak when I reach that point in my other thread about how I do my systems.
 
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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2018, 01:26:42 AM »
Looking forward to the tweak with great enthusiasm.
 

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Re: System on dozens and/or columns
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2018, 01:29:48 AM »
Already posted in the other thread