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scepticus

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2018, 03:48:30 PM »
I think his Monty Hall idea is more worthwhile than his Sleeping Dozen idea which is as " Old as The Hills ".
As he says his mission is to stimulate thought .   
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 09:04:55 PM »
De Bono gives a lot of good approaches of thinking, despite the subject, and I always thought should have been taught at school.
  He is famous for a couple of technics (thinking hats and parallel thinking) and a bunch of experiment. I wanna talk about one of the latter.

De Bono grouped a bunch of high school student in a room, with a task to accomplish: they have to cross the room from one door to another without touching the floor and in the least amount of time. He gave them wooden boards, ropes, a ball, few other objects.
  All of them tight boards on their feet, and they walked to the other side. They do the task with similar time.
  Then, he remove objects till one boards and twigs left. The solution was using one board and jump to the other side. The time used was considerably less, but no one thought of this solution at the beginning. Why?

Because our mind try to use all is in his availability. If it doesn't, mind thinks to loose options.
  How can I use this in my systems? Taking out options. I do an example.

I never wanted to use a huge bankroll. Back in my days you do not have all the options we got today (online, airball machine, rng), so if you wanna play you have to walk to a table where the minimum chip value was 10 Dollars (was 10.000 lire in Venice, I "translated" to be more clear), and if you plan to have a bankroll of 2000 units you need to bring 20000 dollars with you. Not possible. Moreover, I am quite emotional, and betting 3/4 hundreds bucks in a twin, for example, is just not me.
  So, my first rule was fix a limit of the bankroll needed for a system. I fixed 500, with a system that ask for 250 units (I always consider that I will need double the amount my testing shows, for good measure).
  Now, 250 units for a working system seems very low. In this site you can find many system who requires dozen of thousands to work (I understand you can play with 0.1 cents, but still).
  Believe it or not, I found many system that keep working with this limits. Not all of them good system, but on the other hand have a bigger bankroll don't grant you any more success.
  On the side, let's put the situation where the machine broke, or you have to leave the game for any reason. What you loose is not a big deal, you can easily gain back it the next day.

I set many other limits to my game, but this is just to express the concept. Set limits, especially in areas you fill not confortable with (never play single numbers, or play just single numbers, you name what) and you will be surprise how your mind can find solutions.
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2018, 05:27:07 AM »
Aha.  So lets say we are using a parachute methodology by using bet selection to increase our payouts as our debt is rising BUT we don't want to go farther than DS inward.  So what do we do when our debt rises again and we are on a DS?

So what about playing 2 DS that are adjacent, sharing a street between them (9 total numbers) and relying upon that street to hit and pay off the debt?

Just a demonstration of how a new idea can be created when we apply Bono's principle of removing options. :)
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2018, 06:45:45 AM »
Exercising control over your game by adhering to limits you have set for yourself is key, not only when losing but when winning too.

 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 02:43:55 PM »
One of the limits I think work best is the number of spin for session.
  Let say we wanna play for 10 spins. We need to find a solution to have a profitable session with just this few outcomes. We have to play more number than less, for example, and with a tight aggressive approach.
  On the other hand, it is hard that things goes out of hands, that the bankroll needed is relevant, and that the boring aspect of play a system implies: you play a little and then take a walk.

My system is not like that. I don't care how much it last, important is it ends up positive. Most of the sessions are quite short, but sometimes happen to wait 50/60 spins to end it.
  One of the limit is "no stop loss". If it will fail, I will sink with it. To make the system working, I need to keep the balance throughout the game at the low possible level.
 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 06:20:41 PM »
Short stoploss will delay the ruin. We must allways find a new high. Today or tomorrow. The door out  from the casino will not help. Stop while a head means not much. We must stay a head in  much longer than a week!  Virtual bets helps a lot  by time just.  The life game are not the short run, which can win. Stop forever on plus or die at that is the winner.

A large bankroll keep us longer, to a price when the bad of the bad happens, THEN can a stop loss save.

A random game is about luck!! We can do some but not much.
 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 07:45:27 PM »
When a stop loss saves us, we better be ready to come back even stronger!
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 07:54:14 PM »
Jesper, you make valid points that are most definitely debatable.

I hope I've understood you correctly regarding stop loss. You say it just delays ruin. The same for virtual betting ; you say it only buys you time.
I disagree.
You go on to say that a stop loss can save you from the "bad of the bad" (the run from hell. A long losing streak).
I agree.
No player will know when the run from hell starts or when it will end. X number of loses when using a normally winning method must indicate to stop play and resume when conditions improve.

DrTalos, you say one of the limits is no stop loss. You will play and sink with your ship. Why do you believe that a stop loss should not be used?

These are my thoughts on this issue. The majority of players do not have what they would consider a holy grail method. DrTalos, you are in the minority that indicate that you have a consistently winning method. To set parameters on play based on the ultimate method; I think is setting a high standard but it does compel us to think more intensely about our approach to the game.
I have found progressions, triggers and stop loss to work in my favour when I play. I also only play short games. I have rules that govern my play.
Your posts are very thought provoking and I welcome what you have to say because you challenge the blueprint of my game.
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2018, 09:05:09 PM »
As you sure remember, MickyP, I wrote about the psychology of the player, and how must be the first value to be protected and improved.
  For my way of being, a system that "sometimes" loses break any confidence I have in the system. I cannot play it any further, no matter if I have won tons before. I am just out of that game.
  Every little bad bounce of the ball, every longer session, every situation that before the loss would have been just normal routine, in my eyes would became just steps to the inevitable second loss, and then third...

As for any technics (stop loss, virtual betting, trigger, VB) I cannot say one is bad and one is good. I have too much respect for everyone trying to find his way. Because the approach of the game is personal, you must understand what fits your persona and what does not. The 4 I mentioned above are not my style. Is not my style rely on single number (like a lucky magical spin that resolves the game).
  I prefer to have a session that is always possible to be closed in few shots, and if not happens nothing wrong and just keeps the negative low, so to wait few more spins and wait for your numbers to hit. Sooner or later will happen, is not possible otherwise.
  I think progression is important (but not the most important) and I use it. There are some other concepts quite useful, but I am sure not for everybody.
  That why I do not want to give easy recipes (after all, I have just one, my system, and I am not planning to reveal it), but food for thought, hoping someone can get a benefit from it.

 
 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2018, 02:19:55 PM »
Lateral thinking helped you to elaborate your system ? I mean one day you said you had to forgot all bs that you learned before and lead to not working system and start from scratch. Do you use pigeonhole mind process for example to elaborate your systems ?

jerome.
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2018, 05:35:32 PM »


Jerome i will give you one advice - skip it or embrace it

I play casino games and horse race and sport betting - the last one i know nothing about or should i say i am just learning

Now i will compare my way learning sport betting and your way learning to play roulette with this topic among other things you read on this forum board

The first and biggest difference is that i learn something when you only get nonsense and worthless hints
I learn from some one who can pick 60% winners betting sports and he teach me the principal doing the same thing by my self - so one day i can stand by my self and pick 60% winners

The other big difference is that i make money during my learning period and you earn nothing then empty words
I get return of investment better then the stockmarket during my time study the sport betting game

So if you want to be a gambler and learn and master a wider spread of skills i would recommend sport betting
Is not for everyone

Now this is what i have to say about roulette and how silly things can become - you can for example see one topic with 50 thousands views and think WOW there has to be something special about this method - then when you read the topic you see that there is one selection method and one progression

It get worse - you start to read members making money playing the method and no one has reported serious drawdowns - so you might start think this is the sure thing for me - i also want to make money with this metod like other members

This is how you would look at the situation and ask you the following question - what selection method would not win using that kind of progression - almost every existing method based upon similar principal would make money - how many placed bets has been made of each member - not many as they count how many spins they have played - no wonder the system still hold up when they pass 3000 spins with 60 placed bets

A selection metod and a staking plan make no one a winner at the table
The mental strength is the key with good understanding of the game

To become a full time gambler is hard work - for example is not easy to call America each day to get picks when is bed time in my country and it takes a hour to understand all the lingo explaining the picks and 30 minutes more to make the placements.

That is only one side of the daily routine.
Then you might play online on regular basis and go to you local casino each weekend and some regular days during the week.
So you wanna be a gambler - well be ready to handle the mental stress and never try to win back a lost bet
Is a seven day a week job.

One last thing - ask members who been visiting gambling forum boards for ten years of more the following question - have you ever seen one single winning method during your years browsing gambling boards and have you ever learn to become a better gambler reading about hints from others who never explain a method step by step - forget it no need to ask the answer is No

This is not a hint is facts that you self become a winner when you discover what it really takes to become a winner - time to make  reality check

Cheers
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 09:09:03 PM »
Do not work like that, Jerome.
  You are used to a way of thinking, using what you learned or your personal inclination, and they became a part of you.
  At the beginning, you use rules (set limits, think in a original way, if something seem obvious discharge), and after a while becomes an habit.
  I cannot trace back the full thought process that brought me here, at my system. Didn't come to me in a single shot, but the basic idea is exactly as it was. What changed was some tweaks, some improvements, that came in several attemps and during time.

What I suggest is to keep a clean approach. It doesn't matter if people says is not possible. Sure is not easy. Skipping the search because someone says to you you will never reach it, it is silly.
  Are they so sure to have all the answers, all the knowledge? They have not. Do not matter how many years of experience they claim, what PhD or piece of paper they hang on their wall. If they say "Cannot be done" just smile and walk your way. The world is full of people ready to tell you you cannot get what they are not able to get.

My system is bulletproof. It is 4 years that is bulletproof. Have gone through live dealer and airball machine, and never failed. They say is not possible? I see. I will think of them every time I walk to the bank.
All suggestions and technics I post here will make you create a winning system? I do not know. I try to give you the best options, and tools, I have to get that result. Now is up to you.
  There are 2/3 little things to add, and than I will leave room for your questions if you have some.
 
 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2018, 09:54:12 PM »


One last thing - ask members who been visiting gambling forum boards for ten years of more the following question - have you ever seen one single winning method during your years browsing gambling boards and have you ever learn to become a better gambler reading about hints from others who never explain a method step by step - forget it no need to ask the answer is No


Sputnik, I would say you are right 95% here, but not 100%. Someone who has read the forums for a long time can develop a 6th sense for who plays and has walked the path against someone who is full of blarney. I can honestly say I have learned a lot from two such forum members in nearly 15 years, so yes, it is like finding a needle in a haystack, yet not impossible.
 
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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2018, 10:15:16 PM »
DrTalos,  what use is your claim if you have no plans to share it ?
 

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Re: How do I make my systems?
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2018, 10:26:07 PM »
@Cht, see  this thread as he has claimed and shared quite a bit:

https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1252.msg17972#msg17972
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