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#### ignatus

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##### Aces High
« on: January 07, 2015, 06:38:48 PM »
This system is a combination of two of my systems "Dominant Dozen" and "Dozen Repeater", so it has been tested alot, and I KNOW it works, therefore i use no progression with this one, only flatbet.

TRIGGER: Wait for a dozen to repeat. -Bet all numbers in that dozen except the (one) or two numbers that repeated for 3 spins, then STOP. (10-11 numbers bet).
« Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 07:49:48 PM by ignatus »

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 03:50:24 PM »
Ignatus I must disappoint you.
The descriptions of your systems are too poor. Without the data it is impossible to judge the diagrams .
A ten number bet has a hit chance of 25%. Occurs the zero more than the statistic expectation, the program shall give a loss.

Every  system has win and loss periods. Finish the samples after a win period and you have the idea you  have discovered  The Holy Grail of the roulette. Diagrams are manipulated  very easy. The results of your successful systems are not reliable.
Do not think you can beat the roulette  HE with your systems.

I know that software program, you use to compute the systems. It is very useful to test new ideas but it cannot prove you found the HG,

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 05:24:57 PM »
well, i won 8/10 games, all flatbet. i Think that is pretty good statistics/results.

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 05:32:42 PM »
dobbelsteen,
I love ingatus clear and short system descriptions. They are far better than some long and very confusing descriptions that nobody really understands.
He never claimed to have found the HG, he just offers us his ideas to think and maybe be inspired from them.
I do not understand your point.

#### palestis

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 08:43:02 PM »
This system is a combination of two of my systems "Dominant Dozen" and "Dozen Repeater", so it has been tested alot, and I KNOW it works, therefore i use no progression with this one, only flatbet.

TRIGGER: Wait for a dozen to repeat. -Bet all numbers in that dozen except the (one) or two numbers that repeated for 3  spins, then STOP
Ignatus
In other words  you are counting on a dozen to repeat 3 times. 2 for the trigger and 1 for your bet. Excluding the 2 numbers of that dozen (or 1 if it's the same number repeated- I don't understand y you specify for 3 spins when your trigger is only 2 ).
For any system to work there must be an underlining reason, before a long run testing is attempted. Expecting a dozen to repeat a third time after 2 repetitions, doesn't seem like a good enough reason to bet it. Especially flat betting. For this system to work, you have to test thousands of spins, and conclude that after 2 repetitions, a third repetition occurs more often than 32.4% (12/37) of the time. (which is a dozen's statistical expectation).  Then you know you have an edge. Is that what you have found in your tests? Or is it a coincidence that it has worked for the times you have played this system?

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 08:45:24 AM »
Expecting a dozen to repeat a third time after 2 repetitions, doesn't seem like a good enough reason to bet it.

No, i expect a dozen to hit again within 3 spins after a repeat. Most of the time it will hit,...from my testings i done alot of testings with it- must have been more than 10 000 spins in total, since i had two other system based on this same idea- dozen repeater (bet for a third repeat once, with progression) dominant dozen (bet first dozen hit 2 times, with progression) both of these systems had good results, so Aces High is just a tweak of these two.

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 10:52:45 AM »
Kav  I do not agree with you. Ignatus describe very simple systems and test them with a software program. He writes with capitals” I KNOW IT WORKS”. All the diagrams show beautiful positive results. This creates the suggestion the system is a Holy Grail.

We experience and educated roulette players know the Holy Grail for the roulette does not consist. For a fair judgment, I need more information. In my commentary I ask for  more details. Not more and less.

I shall try to write an excel program for this system.

Ignatus you write , you played 8/10 games with a profit. I ask you, did you play in a real casino or on an internet RNG roulette or AR or FR and how many spins per session. Without these information it is impossible to judge your results. Very important is the computing of the profit as a percentage of the total input.

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 02:12:44 PM »
i tested it with roulette xtreme, (live-spins) with 1u bets +200 i consider a win -200 is a loss, (that's how i played). 8/10 games won that way......i don't say it's a holy grail, i never did, because nothing is bulletproof when it comes to roulette, still this may be one of my best systems if i may say it myself.

any testing is welcome!

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 11:49:40 PM »
Expecting a dozen to repeat a third time after 2 repetitions, doesn't seem like a good enough reason to bet it.

No, i expect a dozen to hit again within 3 spins after a repeat. Most of the time it will hit,...from my testings i done alot of testings with it- must have been more than 10 000 spins in total, since i had two other system based on this same idea- dozen repeater (bet for a third repeat once, with progression) dominant dozen (bet first dozen hit 2 times, with progression) both of these systems had good results, so Aces High is just a tweak of these two.

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Well, the way it was written I thought 1 bet and then stop. Anyway there is a good chance to hit within the next 3 spins, I don't understand y you skip the 2 numbers that came in the 2 repetitions of that dozen. So in effect you bet 10 or 11 numbers. (if the same number repeated). With flat bets hitting in the first 2 spins makes a good profit. More in the first. The third spin (if it's a hit ), makes 6 units profit.
But 10,000 spins I don't think are enough to draw definite conclusions. If it works in 50,000 spins then you got something there.
I play dozens too, but a little differently. If I see a dozen missing  for at least 5 spins, (if I happen to see it on the board missing for 8 spins even better), I play that dozen 3 times then stop and wait for another trigger. The logic is that every time a dozen is absent for 6, 7, 8, consecutive spins it can't keep on sleeping for another 3. Each and every time. It can sleep for 20 spins of course, but betting only the next 3 spins, you avoid complications. But will that happen in the next cycle? And the next? Very unlikely.
While you are testing this system, you must have an idea or at least keep track of  the most frequent winning range. If the majority of wins come in the first 2 spins, then you might want to skip the 3rd and less profitable spin. But you have to come up with an accurate frequency of the winning range. If it is spin 2 and 3 you might want to play the first spin virtually and then play only spins 2 and 3 . That can be determined under extensive testing.
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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2015, 04:01:40 PM »
Palestis,

Are you Greek??
?? ?;;

#### palestis

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2015, 01:49:51 AM »
Palestis,

Are you Greek??
?? ?;;
You got that right

#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2015, 04:05:13 PM »
I am Dutch.
I have made an excel program and here are the diagrams o 6 samples of 150 spins.150 spins is a very short run sample. The profit or loss is not predictable. See my blog!!

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##### Re: Aces High
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2015, 05:37:22 PM »
Palestis,

Are you Greek??
?? ?;;
You got that right

Me too!
Are you living at USA?
I'm coming at Vegas on February,perhaps we could meet there.