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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2018, 07:17:05 PM »
The discussion about "mechanical systems" is being continued here: https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=2142.0
In this topic let's focus on hot numbers.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 12:59:06 AM »
Going to Vegas Friday. Tried this on roulette simulator with great results. What’s the best way to track the 28 spins at a live table? Thank you guys. Excited to give this one a go.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 01:08:26 AM »
Use a casino scorecard or a pocket size notebook.

18 spins frame to identify a hot number. 26 spins actual betting from hot number identification.

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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 02:24:25 AM »
Do you mean what is the best  way to find Hot Numbers .willthe rock ?
I suggest marking 37 / 38  squares and , within those squares mark  each winning number as it occurs, Use a Five- Barred _ Gate marking within the squares . This way you will easily identify when any particular number has hit Twice-Three - Four etc. Times to start your betting .
On  Friday I am off to sunny Tenerife for two weeks !  :D
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 03:02:15 AM »
Going to Vegas Friday. Tried this on roulette simulator with great results. What’s the best way to track the 28 spins at a live table? Thank you guys. Excited to give this one a go.
The 18 spins gap is not that hard to follow.
It is the 26 spins that you play each number that requires special attention.
You need a notebook that has at least 26 lines. You have to have many pages ready by having written on each one  1 to 26 top to bottom.
One page will be used for each number. When you have a playable number you write it on the top of the page. The first  number that spins you write an "X" on line 1. The second numbers that spins you write an X on line 2. When you use all 26 lines you throw the paper away. If the number wins in any of the 26 spin you throw it away as well. Or instead of an X, you can write the actual number that spun.  You do the same for each number added to your play list. (a separate page for each number).
If you play 3 numbers at the same time you have to mark X or the actual spun number on all 3 pages. Otherwise you will lose track.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 04:10:08 AM »
Very, very helpful thank you. I have my tracking notebook down, and how I plan on tracking.

Last couple questions;

How many numbers would you have going at once? If 4 numbers qualify in the 18 spins do you play all 4? Would you add a fifth? Would you replay a number if it qualifies again? For instance:

9
22
18
33
9 (qualified)
26
1
13
9 (winner)
0
15
8
11
9 - would we requalify or let it go?

Thank you so much.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 08:32:52 AM »
These 2 questions will come up naturally once you start playing.
I found that if things go smoothly you will be playing about 5 numbers on average. Less if you employ the stop if in profit and restart. If you find that you are playing more than 7 numbers at the same time it might be an indication that it's not an ideal situation. And it's best to get out of this situation once you have even  a minimum profit. And let spins go by. As many  as necessary to actually see that it starts winning more frequently again as you pay attention on the results. (usually wait for 10-15 spins).
Personally, I always get out and restart when I am in profit.
That insures that I won't be playing too many numbers.
As  far as the second question, it probably indicates that a numbers is hot in itself if it reappears to form the same trigger. It's a good chance to capitalize on that hot number.
when I was playing it, I was abandoning that number unless it formed a trigger in a new 18 spin span.
But I was also noticing that I was missing winning opportunities.
I think you can play that number if it reforms a trigger.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 06:53:10 PM »
Hi Palestis ....

Did you test your repeaters method ....

Tel me more please
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 07:08:21 PM »
I have tested this a bit but I think it would need a progression. Winnings are coming fairly often, but not enough. But betting repeaters is for sure the best.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2018, 09:07:56 PM »
Yes I have tested the system.
And yes a progression can be used especially if the B/R tends to be negative at some point. In the picture with 35 and 23 not planning to show up in the next 26 spins, you will be running a negative balance at some point. 11 showed up in the 25th spin, and 34 in the 18th. So until 34 showed up you would have a negative balance, and 34 would not be able to eliminate as it showed up a little on the late side. By the time you reach 23 you will be playing 5 numbers? ( 35,34,11 ,10 23) and you will have a negative balance, which means it's time for a progression. Which will continue to add to the negative balance with 26,5,1,29,7,7. Whether you started the progression when 23 became a playable number or 26 when it became the 6th number to be played,  the repetition of 26 in the second spin gives you a big boost. if it has 2 chips on it after the start of progression, it will return 68 units profit. Then the  34 shows up 2 spins after and gives you another boost (even though it showed up 18 spins later) in  the last few spins it has 2 units on it.
By this time the negative balance becomes positive. And with 5 and 13 showing up very soon after starting playing them there is a good profit despite the initial negative balance. 
When you reach 5 you will be playing 3 numbers 11,10,23 plus 5.  (35 lost and 26 34 won and eliminated). Since 5 shows up quickly it adds to profit, The  13 adds even more
I always quit when in profit and restart.
I never take it all the way to the end. Always restarting after in profit.
I think in this system you have to keep track of the B/R. because the focus is to quit and restart when in profit.
Your only choice it to quit with a small profit or a much bigger one. The choice is yours and it depends on your available B/R.
Best way to test it is with a basic simulator that keeps track of the B/R

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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2018, 12:33:07 AM »
Hey, what is the bankroll on this anyway?
 

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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2018, 01:10:50 AM »
On the above example or in general for this system? I didn't figured it, but 100 should be enough for the above , and 200 should be enough for this system in general.
 
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2018, 07:28:08 PM »
Ok kewl.  Here is a simple Excel tracker (manual) where we can track spins if we are playing online.  We have to manually copy and paste all spins over one space to the left and replace the farthest right number with the last number spun after every spin.  This can be accomplished with a macro but I am doing it manually.  I am just posting this because I am going to try and use it and I need to get it out of ".txt" format and so change it back to .xlsx

Here is a game where I got confused:

https://roulette-simulator.info/game/531a7cd663a71126b81fb5a68f6d62dc

So as soon as we are in profit we start over.  For me, this would mean that I would go back to the one number that just hit IF it had repeated within 18 spins and otherwise I would not be betting.  Is that right?
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2018, 10:36:39 PM »
That's a very nice simulation site where you can check this system.
I assume that you can run several spins at the beginning without having to bet so that you will get the game going. Or bet the minimum and deduct the total  from the B/R, so that the results will be only from the actual testing. Once you get the 1st number going then everything should fall into place.
You just have to visually keep track of the 18 spin distances, ( if it is 17 or 19  it won't make a difference), and write down the spins for every number played. Remove it when it either wins or completes the 26 lost spins.
So as soon as we are in profit we start over.  For me, this would mean that I would go back to the one number that just hit IF it had repeated within 18 spins and otherwise I would not be betting.  Is that right?
That means that if you are in a real casino you start from the beginning as if you just entered the casino. If you are in a roulette either change table or track new numbers (Sure you can use a number already on the board if it repeats in  the new count).
The same in the simulation site. Spin without betting until a number from the ones already listed repeats.  The bottom line is you start with 1 number again. And proceed as before.
The stats should be able to  account for the new session if the blank spins don't register in the stats.
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Re: Betting on hot numbers
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 03:48:04 AM »
I'm kind of confused as to when to raise.  I just had a game where flat betting fully recovered.  I was betting 9 numbers at a time, at one point.

I am thinking that hot numbers are similar to cold numbers in that, in order to approach them effectively, we need to be sure we are betting enough of them at one time, while also dealing with the cost involved.  I think we can profit by betting fewer numbers (than cold) if they are hot.

https://roulette-simulator.info/game/f336a38ca7e0bfc0d845ebe33c8b84d4



I was betting with a bankroll of 200 units.
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