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MickyP

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 08:26:07 PM »
Did a search on World Game Protection. An annual conference and expo on gaming surveillance and casino management etc etc. Interesting.
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 08:27:47 PM »
so, perhaps Real works in the casino industry ?
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 08:49:39 PM »
Casinos will benefit from employing knowledgeable and experienced  players.

What would you conclude if you found out that Real works in the industry?
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2018, 09:25:39 PM »
That he knows a lot about wheels but that does not qualify him as a Roulette Professional.
Oh !. Well ! Wait a minute ........ 
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2018, 10:40:22 PM »
All systems are vulnerable to variance. Variance is the only thing that we can influence. We can not change the house edge due to the uneven payout. What we can possibly change is the effect that variance has on our game. Nothing can determine what effect variance will have on our game. If anyone has a way to control variance, this is your platform.
You nailed on the head with this statement.
Yes you can't control variance, but you can see it when it's in effect. Waiting for a negative variance should not and it doesn't cost money.
The question is how high a negative variance can go before it starts its downturn?
 Can you spot the turning point where the variance tapers off or turns to positive? Yes you can.
No variance? you should expect your hits to follow the true odds?
Positive variance? your hits should be above the odds.
A system should follow this principle to be successful.
 
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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2018, 10:58:10 PM »
I do not see any " principle" to be explained or pointed out. Just empty statements like "you can not control variance"..ets.
   Sometimes l wonder... whom lm posting for?
In my personal case , yes l can!!! If someone can not, lm sad..   but it's not reason to brand " imposible" something that someone personally can not do... world is definitely bigger then majority of us think and there are many interesting people in it with very interesting capabilities .
   What is, if not the way to control affect of variance , my "sequential method"? Doesn't matter.   I know that many didn't even read it and these who did, probably didn't bothered to understand. 
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2018, 11:13:57 PM »
The real SP does not spend pointless months or years making arguments for, or against various strategies, staking plans or endless testing.
At some stage, sooner rather than later, players actually play the game, a game, I may add, that is so different from coded RNG results, that it may as well be on another planet.
IF, (A VERY BIG IF) a million spin "system" test, gradually eroded over the first 500000 results, then continually and successfully rose into incredible profit, an order of magnitude above the initial bank outlay, it could not be translated into actual play!
Why?
Because in the REAL WORLD, where TIME has to be included in the equation, no person has ever faced/attended/been present/played to 500000 spin results in their entire LIFE!
So, start rethinking more valid playing sessions, from an intelligent HUMAN SCALE POV!
 
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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 12:04:57 AM »
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You nailed on the head with this statement.
Yes you can't control variance, but you can see it when it's in effect. Waiting for a negative variance should not and it doesn't cost money.
The question is how high a negative variance can go before it starts its downturn?
 Can you spot the turning point where the variance tapers off or turns to positive? Yes you can.
No variance? you should expect your hits to follow the true odds?
Positive variance? your hits should be above the odds.
A system should follow this principle to be successful.

Ok, now I'm going to replace the word luck with variance. Read it again and see if you feel the same way about the comment.
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Edited version. You nailed on the head with this statement.
Yes you can't control luck, but you can see it when it's in effect. Waiting for bad luck should not and it doesn't cost money.
The question is how bad can luck become before it starts to turn around?
 Can you spot the turning point where the bad luck tapers off or turns into good luck? Yes you can.
No luck? you should expect your hits to follow the true odds?
Good luck? your hits should be above the odds.
A system should follow this principle to be successful. End of edited version

After replacing the variance with luck, and negative variance with bad luck, it really help to put things into perspective.  We can't predict luck, and we can't really side step bad luck. 

I hope you find this post useful, and not challenging. 

-Really
« Last Edit: February 07, 2018, 12:11:18 AM by Real »
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 06:27:58 AM »
Fyodor, you mentioned a very important aspect of Strategic play in your thread "Casino Rules"; Palestis has also referred to the same approach.

The basic concept of YOU deciding when YOU want to start betting and not to be compelled to bet because  of casino pressure. Not betting continously is in many cases more profitable. As you say Fyodor, Play Hard and create your own rules within the limitations of the casino rules.

Unfortunately for thoes who want a turn key play and win method; strategic play is not a "system". It is more the moulding of a player personality out of the many different aspects that contribute to effective and profitable play. Playing to win  and stopping play when the desired win goal is reached is the primary focus.

I could post a picture of a happy face or a pile of cash for those who like pictures.
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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 07:23:39 AM »
The first part of my staking plan is producing a HARD BANK.
It works like this, say my "walking-in" bank is 250 LCU, (local currency units).
I may even buy-in for that amount, to convert my cash for chips.
Now, for every spin/outcome (after buy-in), I reward myself one chip for NOT PLAYING!
That chip/unit is transferred from my "pocket" bank, to my "playing" bank.
Should the proposed game strategy on that given session require an outlay of, say, five units, I am bound by my "Rules" to WAIT for five spins to pass by untouched, until I can "afford" to place the wager.
Should the first outlay fall, I must now wait/save for the next wager.
I could also pass on twenty or thirty spins, to "save" an amount equal to the total of several
continuous sequence wagers.
There are no "sequence" obligations involved, and longer non play sequences adds to the "play-bank!"
If being at the table with chips in front of me, compels the Casino "Rules" to require me to play, I just cash-out, and continue to stay near the table, keeping a note of elapsed spins, and re-assigning my bankroll as required.
In this regard, simply walking up to a table and commencing without applying the HARD RULES would, in my reasoning, be regarded as covert CHEATING! -That is outside the rules.
No doubt there will be some debate about the method/strategy disclosed here, but, in favour, the bank lasts a really long time, even under adverse conditions, and it has never gone into negative territory since inception.
(I establish my PLAY HARD "target" strategy with the "TC" calculator!)
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 07:58:15 AM »
I know you'll get smacked over the knuckles for your Hard Bank manner but I see the method in your madness. Observing a table without placing a wager is tough especially when you see a stream of virtual wins pass you by. Discipline when at a table with chips in hand is difficult for many a player. I like the fact that you treat every chip like gold.

What has surfaced quite a bit on the forum is the need for faster games and this puts B/M tables out of contention. The rush to win should be questioned as well as playing with too low value chips. If you're testing, low value chips are wise but if you're playing to win a decent total then larger value chips are a wiser option.  Long exposure of chips at the table is flirting with failure. A disciplined approach is wise.

 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2018, 08:12:37 AM »

Because in the REAL WORLD, where TIME has to be included in the equation, no person has ever faced/attended/been present/played to 500000 spin results in their entire LIFE!
So, start rethinking more valid playing sessions, from an intelligent HUMAN SCALE POV!

An on line player can do 500000 spins in less than two years! 
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2018, 08:42:44 AM »
Sure they can Jesper but the subject Fyodor relates to is B/M tables.
 

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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2018, 09:41:45 AM »
Damn, Just wasted an hour putting together a scathing riposte to the 500,000 spin (bait), then hit the wrong button and eviscerated myself.
Well, regarding pertinent publication anyway.
Basically, that number of spins could be addressed in the human time-scale world, but, to accomplish it in two years, one would have to play at the rate of sixty spins per hour, ten-twelve hours, straight per day, seven days per week, each of those successive 730 days!
 
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Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2018, 09:51:55 AM »
You nailed on the head with this statement.
Yes you can't control variance, but you can see it when it's in effect. Waiting for a negative variance should not and it doesn't cost money.
The question is how high a negative variance can go before it starts its downturn?
 Can you spot the turning point where the variance tapers off or turns to positive? Yes you can.

The variance that YOU experience can certainly be controlled, either by playing more/less numbers or using progressions. What you can't do is "side step" it by waiting for virtual losses or using triggers. To maximise variance (luck) play few numbers and use progressions, but you have to be willing to live with the downside of that.
 
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