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a different AP definition....
« on: January 17, 2018, 04:59:24 AM »
I was at the CASINO having a decent conversation with a fellow roulette enthusiast. He made an interesting observation, I'm wondering what ya'll think?

He says, the only real difference between AP and a non-AP player is......if you can still win week after week after week (long term), but your bets are laid out BEFORE the ball is spun, you are a winning non-AP player. As we have heard from other AP guys, you cannot win (long term) unless AP is involved.

As opposed to (I think?), you NEED to see the ball spun (clocking etc.) then place bets, you are or aspire to be a good AP player. I hope that made sense because I find it rather interesting.

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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 05:38:01 AM »
Interesting point Ken. Rather refer to them as vb players, it's a more fitting description of the method of play.
Vb players have to wait for the ball to be spun for many reasons, mostly to confirm start point and direction.

The A in AP stands for Advantage and I am not fully convinced that vb should be titled AP.
 
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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 07:24:45 AM »
Interesting too, that casino management regularly refer to identifiable AP players as among the cheating brigade, along with the spurious scam artists that promote electronic devices, (legal in most jurisdictions, but remain covert just in case!) and other infamous "past-posting" methods.
 
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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 09:17:57 AM »
I was at the CASINO having a decent conversation with a fellow roulette enthusiast. He made an interesting observation, I'm wondering what ya'll think?

He says, the only real difference between AP and a non-AP player is......if you can still win week after week after week (long term), but your bets are laid out BEFORE the ball is spun, you are a winning non-AP player. As we have heard from other AP guys, you cannot win (long term) unless AP is involved.

As opposed to (I think?), you NEED to see the ball spun (clocking etc.) then place bets, you are or aspire to be a good AP player. I hope that made sense because I find it rather interesting.

Ken

Your friend sounds just like another random gambler.

An AP simply means advantage player.  Having the advantage is the dream of EVERY gambler.

In roulette an advantage can be obtained by betting on biased numbers BEFORE the ball is spun.
Or by using visual ballistics AFTER the ball is spun.

Regarding casinos comments that advantage players are cheaters.  This is a sticky subject for them, as well as risk consultants and surveillance reporting.  The reason is that suing casino risk consultants is a new AP game! Players can sue for defamation of character if there's false information in a report that has been made public.  Some APs and their private investigators are even discretely attending casino risk conferences in order to catch slanderous individuals and groups on video.  Currently there are some cases being built by some APs that already have dirt on some groups and individual consultants.  The goal...to make money and take town the parasites and the companies for which they work.

Coming up in March is a big meeting in LV .  March 12 to the 15th. 
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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 09:58:43 AM »
Very interesting. Sue the casino. Is the video evidence admissible in court seeing as it was illegally obtained? Just asking.
 

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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 03:07:34 PM »
Real is talking about the USA, Micky, where electronic devices are deemed illegal. So clearly , anyone using them  are " Cheating " As real points out, though, it depends on the words used and the definitions of the words used that are a lawyer's dream,

As for Mr. J's friend's observation. I think it is obviously right  ! If you win = you win !
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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 03:21:34 PM »
Thanks for the clarification. It's a bit of a head scratcher though. Technicalities are what wins many cases. O J is a shining example.
 

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Re: a different AP definition....
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 11:11:19 PM »
Blind betting pure and simple.