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Jesper

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2017, 10:09:45 AM »
There are pennie casinos with no or large table max, they are all rng, and many may hesitate to run a wild martingale as we can not for sure know if the cheat.

At BV it is possible to martingale 17 steps and they provide numbers which they can not tamper with. I do not think many deposit 600000 units and start a one eurocent martingale.
 

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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 11:38:17 AM »
They are there to make money, unless you got yourself numbers of your session hashed, and provided with the key later on, you shouldn't trust their rng.
   If you got such thing, research how to break hash provided with help of cloud computing ( please do not ask me how). Prices for such help are super reasonable.
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 01:44:54 PM »
A roulette with a fair payout has no house edge. Also there is no lung run. DTOP does not consist there is no point from where a system has a permanent loss. VB is a method, but not a winning method.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 04:15:51 PM »
Yes, and the statement of Mr Perfect we can for bargain price buy a software  hacking the SHA is just talking "sh..", as that should long time ago break the casinos using it.

We could theoretical build a database, doing such a job, if we live very long and the casino do nothing. That is not the case SHA is hard and safe, but some do not have a clue of cryptography.

Mr Perfect more or less try something, such as get some cash, from not well informed, and the last victim is still not born!!!

 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 04:58:50 PM »
To define winning in roulette is difficult because it is subjective. You will get a host of different answers and each will be right in its own context of the definition.

Why is it subjective? Can you give an example of a "correct" definition which is right "in its own context"?

I would say the definition is simple : a method of play or system which makes a profit in the long term.

The long term varies depending on the bet. Naturally, a criteria should be that the method doesn't rely on any factor not permitted by the casino, such as an infinite bankroll or house limit (even a plain martingale is a winner under those conditions).

Define "long term"?

Winnng can incorporate losses that may see you down and the approach is only a failure when you decide to stop playing it. If you continue play and loose some more, how much of a loss is considered a failure ? Many approaches will render enough wins to keep you in the game. How much of  a profit is required in the long run to classify an approach a winning one? All the variables should be considered to formulate a definition. Your definition may be subjective as it may only apply to your standards.
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2017, 06:21:06 PM »
Long term is how long you care, or live!  Die while  a head is a winner ::)
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 10:09:17 AM »
Got 143 spins until  the street show up. It was some smaller winnings before the street hitting.
As I use low value chips I could handle it.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 10:36:40 AM »
Define "long term"?

Long term is when your luck runs out.  ;)

This can be quantified to any degree of certaintly you like, the more certainty you require, the more bets you need to make before you arrive at the "long term". So I suppose to that extent "long term" IS subjective. However, the long term is most definitely not infinity, or even 1 million spins, so it's not as though anyone who believes that systems don't work is justified in requiring that the system pass the gazillion spin test (that's a straw man directed at system deniers by system advocates).

If you're betting many numbers (say 24 or more) randomly (so that you have no edge), the house edge will overtake the variance after a couple of thousand bets (flat betting) with a degree of certaintly of 95%. This is about as many bets as you can expect to make and still be "lucky", assuming that your method has no edge. It follows then that if you continue to be in profit after this number of bets, you can be confident that you are winning for reasons other than luck.

For bets on few numbers, you need correspondingly more bets before getting into the long run. For a single number, the number is around 150,000.

Most system players are far too confident that they have something real, when in fact it's just positive variance (luck). Knowing when luck runs out for the quantity of numbers you're betting will give you a more realistic view.
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2017, 11:54:28 AM »
Got 143 spins until  the street show up.

Is this the longest sleeping street you've ever witnessed?
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2017, 01:38:16 PM »
Mike I understand you are not  a follower of my roulette theory about random rows. My roulette simulations have learned me that every number bet has a point of permanent loss. That point is the turn over from short run into long run. I have not a mathematical explanation but it is a certainty.
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2017, 05:18:13 PM »
Got 143 spins until  the street show up.

Is this the longest sleeping street you've ever witnessed?

Sure I have seen much longer, but not allways were betting it.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2017, 06:25:39 AM »
I can expect to see 161 spins without a hit (by simulation).
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2017, 09:55:25 AM »
Tried a parlay on a street. I was using autospin, an was too slow to stop before the first double hit, next come across after 311 spins. I was just on the winning balance.

 
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