How do AP win and what type of bets are used?

[MrPerfect.]

Mickey.... you can break casinos with proper knowlidge and skill, you know?  Literally put them out of business!  That's why AP is feared.
   It's like a gun... you can persuade them to give you their wallet or blow of their brain out. Best of all... it's legal.

[MickyP]

That sounds like something that happens in my country every day; the gun wallet thing but no matter the outcome the gun is usually fired.

[MickyP]

Okay, now to continue as promised .

I've talked about the time spent at the table. Now let's look at time spent learning an approach to win. The most amount of time one should spend on learning before playing with hard cash should be spent on understanding the rules of the game and practising with all the different types of bets just to become familiar with the game. When you are comfortable that you understand the game then you can decide how you want to play.

RNG computer based play offers you a non evasive playing platform with the option of small wagers. So the showdown is on B/M  tables between AP and system play.

There is no contest between the two. Finding a handful of systems to use will take less time than the work and study required to be a good AP.

Why you are playing roulette is the biggest factor in the equation and this is mostly overlooked. If you plan on making a career out of roulette then progressing through the ranks to AP is the way to go, or maybe not.

AP requires a big investment of time and possibly money as well. Is it worth it? I can't answer that question for you but for me it's not worth the investment. As long as I have an interest in roulette I'll always focus on learning more and more about AP but this will be done in my own way only.

AP is too much of a wild child to risk the investment required to master the approach. The winnings I require can be accomplished using the systems I currently play with.

[MickyP]

There is a payoff in everything we do in life. We patronise people to win favour; we compromise for potentially bigger rewards, and so on. In other words: there is nothing for free in life but everything does not have a monetary value. The price we pay for things could be as simple as casting your vote in favour of someone or something and the payoff is a promise. A typical political ploy. Payoffs come in different forms.

The AP approach seems to be a heavily guarded secret with defensive measures in place to ward off anyone who dares challenge their advantage/win claims.
I refer to the manner in which AP players trash other player types. Their aggressive and insulting manner riddles many topics across the forum. When questions are posed to AP players they are mostly ignored or answered with a question instead. In all questions go unanswered. I have no doubts that AP  is exactly that and if you are good you can make good money. The problem arises when a person invests time and money into becoming an AP player and then fails  to realise their win goals. You are more inclined to conceal or defend your poor investment than admit failure. Arrogance results through your own poor skills ability and lack of accountability for your own misfortune.  The type of rude arrogance I refer to should be seen for what it really is. I know it is difficult to ignore an unwarranted personal attack so try and avoid feeding the beast.

The above is not directed directly at MrPerfect as I feel he has good intentions and is willing to engage in discussions. The above addresses all those guilty of the offence.

[MrPerfect.]

Mickey, roulette destroys lives of these who do not take it seriously.  There is HE. It's upplied to every bet you make. It's same as get a drowdown on your credit card.
   Playing this game without edge to players favor is very bad idea in general. If you can not get edge , avoid this game... frankly frendly advice.

[Fyodor]

The whole Advantage Player thing, as described in ALL Gaming Forums, is an unsubstantiated myth, a fantasy as steeped in MYSTERY as the fabled HOLY GRAIL, (another of the conjectural goals in Roulette)
There are NP's (Novice Players), KP's (Keen Players), LS's, (Life-long Students), MP's, (Mad Players), DP's (Desperate Players), and KP's (Knowledgeable Players), and, at the table, they are all interchangeable, according to the fluctuations of fortune.
Advantage Players, if they existed, would never claim to be "AP's" in the first place, and they also would not waste years of their lives, having long winded, and short tempered arguments on web forums, or try to "SELL" such claimed advantages.

[MrPerfect.]

Fyodor, l do not wanna be mean..  but according to your argument everyone is looser. That's a bit too far, don't you think so? You being one of them as long as you are player as well. 
   I understand your negativity about it, in fact many thing on forums is bs. Not all forums. Not all things. No need to generalise.
   There are enough roulette wheels for everyone, l personally , for example, can not play all of them and wouldn't mind to help few selected ones for a part of their profits. What does it make me in your classification? I gess lm case apart,  mithological beast who's existence you do not belive?
   You know, l do demos in real time on my own wheel thru Skype.  It's biased as hell,  but definitely not gafted.  My results are very good on my wheel, l know it very well and often able to realise maximum of edge possible by predicting it. Besides my own l know few other wheels well, my knolidge of them is not perfect but there l get my money from... around 30-50% of what is posible to take there l take.
    I do not do demos in casinos because it's too much show of, but my wheel is not much easy then these l play in casinos. It's a reasonable set up ..  3 diamonds ... ets. Videos of me predicting are out there, these are not edited in any way...
 l exist, Fyodor, it's a fact!!! And your believe about it will change nothing. My words are here on forum, l can not change them, they are truth and result of practice, everything l tolk about is what it is. I do not post desinformation.  If you are unable to follow what l post, ask qwestions.
 But please avoid negative comments till you know what are you tolking about. With coments like yours , there is no wonder that even happy people like AP do loose their temper.

[LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer]

If you want full information about the AP or whatever roulette gmaing methods you always have to pay even if you think of an AP or any other well-functioning roulette methods on the basis of the talk of a talented user on the model that there is no shortage of money, but still money has to be get share knowledge  and the praise of the said profits wins is, after all, no real evidences the cold true thing is the ones who sell something roulette methods in general loss roulette also and sales of available revenue then patch losses roulette
Winners do not have to sell anything or share anything in general they consider their method as their own secret

[MrPerfect.]

No you are wrong. There is no need for information or payment to become AP.  Study by yourself!!! All info is there right in front of your own eyes.
  If you already can predict well, you can come to me and buy yourself proper roulette computer that will permit you to play for longer.
Right after general explanation of how it work, you will want one immidiately,  if you are a player of cause ( and can not be bothered to create your own).
    Roulette AP is something you should be able to descover by yourself with school knolidge only. If you couldn't be bothered to learn at the school properly and listen to the teacher, l do not mind to give you nessesary lessons one more time, but it has price attached.  Or you think l should spend my time on your or anyone's else education for free?
   I need people who are able to think, as you can see, my tools are available only for these who are able to recognise their value and my lessons for these who value my time as their at least.  Or on your opinion it's easy to teach ? You wouldn't like to work for free , right, you probably expect to be recompensed somehow when you work? If not, there are so many things to be done in the world, voluntary yourself and do something useful instead of posting your negatively and false expectations on my beautiful vb section.
   As you can see, lm kind, l do not send you back to publick school and even offer myself to recapitulate what you should know already by now. Or pick up book by yourself, it's newton's motion.  I read about it in 5th school year.

[MickyP]

The whole Advantage Player thing, as described in ALL Gaming Forums, is an unsubstantiated myth, a fantasy as steeped in MYSTERY as the fabled HOLY GRAIL, (another of the conjectural goals in Roulette)
There are NP's (Novice Players), KP's (Keen Players), LS's, (Life-long Students), MP's, (Mad Players), DP's (Desperate Players), and KP's (Knowledgeable Players), and, at the table, they are all interchangeable, according to the fluctuations of fortune.
Advantage Players, if they existed, would never claim to be "AP's" in the first place, and they also would not waste years of their lives, having long winded, and short tempered arguments on web forums, or try to "SELL" such claimed advantages.

Fyodor, your comments above amused me. How much did you loose trying to become an AP? The different characters  of the mythological  AP "group" of players you identified with such surety confirms that you've been there and failed.

Your comments serve no purpose but to tarnish the image of the forum.

[MickyP]

"Unsubstantiated myth"; a double negative.
Unsubstantiated: unproven or not verified with fact
Myth: widely told story not factually verified. In other words an unsubstantiated story.

[Fyodor]

Mr P, you are right!
All the info is right there in front of you, when you are at the table.
TO learn the subtleties of Roulette costs MONEY, and TIME, because you have to play on a real table, in real time, after buying in with real money.
In this regard, the APPRENTICESHIP involved with learning even the basics, can take as long as your disposable bank funds allow.
I have been an NP, a KP1, an LS, and consider myself a reasonably efficient KP2!
But I still remain a Lifelong Student.
You are (apparently) claiming to be such an AP, that you are justified in putting a cash value on your information.
Without divulging any of your (valuable?) secrets, you should know enough about the wheel (EU) to demonstrate such knowledge.
So, there are at least two (2) numerical patterns on the wheel, that are (essentially) perfectly balanced, regarding equal distribution.
They do not include traditional (french) wagers.
And, I have always had a POSITIVE attitude about Roulette, but have never claimed to be in the same "mythological beast" category that you claim, the ball is in your court.
MickyP, I never tried to become an "AP"
---However, I am becoming more knowledgeable.
Yes, learning costs, but losing at the table is a learning experience, that cannot be overcome by paying over the counter to a self professed guru of the game.
My comments are an attempt to re-invigorate balanced discussion.
The image of the forum becomes "tarnished" when an attack on Mr Dobbelsteens integrity becomes personal.
PS. We could start a whole new thread on correcting phrases, syntax, grammar, composition, spelling and general literacy, but I thought, "why not be amusing, just for once, and focus on ROULETTE!"

[MickyP]

Fyodor, you have contradicted yourself for a second time and confirmed my assumption of you loosing in your endeavour to becoming an AP.

Tit for tat is not roulette. I defended Dobbelsteen and now I defend MrPerfect. I encourage fair, honest and transparent discussions.

If you want to be insulting at least be diplomatic about it. The art of diplomacy is to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they looks forward to the trip.

Now, back to ROULETTE.

[MrPerfect.]

Fyodor... " balanced whatever numerical destribution patterns" Not included in franch bets...
   If l openly tell you that l got no interest in anything balanced and have no idea about what is included in franch bets, as l do not use these and can't be bothered even to Google,  will you forgive me?
  You can explain,  if you wish, how would you use this " inside info" to make money.
   You a mean fellow, but not very able to pay attention. On my posts l often mention "3 pin game. " lt's one of main reasons that many people are not able to make money , most mentioned cause for losses or giving up... yet you don't filter it. Instead of qwestioning others, you should be qwestioning yourself. I TEACH PEOPLE WHOM I WANT TO WORK WITH ME, do you understand?  For me is not enough what people may read in books or on forums, l look for these who is able to collect proper data and supply tools specifically created for a purpose.
    With these tools players can make some money for themselves as well... but it's a "secondary effect", prediction by vb is just another option that my rc has.
    Fyodor, l will give you an idea... somewhere in this forum there are screenshots from one of mine actual online casino accounts. It show something like 20 gbp deposit and more then 2k withdrawall same day. I didn't put it there on purpose, l just casually mentioned on the forum my recent win and people could not belive 100 times bankroll multiplication . It was bet before spin opportunity acompliched with only 40 units to play in 1-2 hours of play online!!! Do you understand probability, still considering my time not worth money l ask or think that lm surviving with students money? Or you see such results all over the place? Note, l do not say it's what l do every day, but 20 times session bankroll is what l consider normal. Today , in 30 min after work , l made 70 times bankroll multiplication with only 20 units as a start. Lucky day, Bro. .. .
   

[LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer]

MrPerfect What do you do here in the forum if you win as great  good as you say or what can this forum give you when you are, according to your own words, constantly winning the roulette professional player so what you get got from this forum