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kav

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Keep calm and be a gentleman
« on: December 09, 2017, 05:18:40 PM »
Just a friendly reminder to stay calm and never take anything personally on one hand. And to avoid personal remarks on the other.

We can agree to disagree without resorting to heated arguments. None needs to enforce his opinion on others or prove others wrong.

If you feel that someone used foul language or made a personal attack on you, report the post to moderator (link below every post) and we will look into it.

We appreciate your understanding.
 

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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 05:30:59 PM »
I think the report function is very important because I try to gauge my repsonse (if any) on the harshness of the attack and the level of offense experienced (exhibited) by the one attacked. 

I tend towards doing nothing if possible and then simply editing the post if the attack is too harsh (saying nothing) and finally editing/deleting and commenting if things really get out of hand. 

I read every post.  I would prefer if there were no attacks at all and especially because argumentation is hard enough for the participants to deal with by itself.

I default edit any attack that is explicitly Ad Hominem.

Attacks on ideas or methods are evaluated as stated above.

I also wish to state that I am not perfect, sometimes I am tired and some posts are hard to read word for word and so it is possible that I could possibly miss something due to human error. :(
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 05:42:57 PM by Reyth »
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 05:51:13 PM »
Kind Reminder:
Offensive personal, Ad Hominem comments are not welcome.

Focus on the message, not the messenger.
We don't care what you think about the guy*. We do care what you think about what he posted.

*=anyone
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 05:53:58 PM by kav »
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2018, 11:07:56 PM »
You are doing a very good job, kav. thank you for this forum.
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 11:36:09 PM »
You are very welcome funtomas. I'll take this opportunity to thank Reyth for his help keeping the forum clean, his kindness and his contributions.
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 09:04:01 AM »
Yes, thanks Kav, and thanks for bumping this thread - very timely.

Reyth has helpfully provided a link to the Wiki page which defines "Ad Hominem", however, I don't understand what he means by this statement:

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Attacks on ideas or methods are evaluated as stated above.

There is no such thing as "Ad Systemem", lol. There is a difference between

"your system is crap"

and

"you are an idiot."

Neither follows from the other. It's true that none of us like to have their ideas or opinions criticized, but we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that "your system is crap" implies that "you are an idiot". It doesn't. And also, "you are an idiot" doesn't imply "your system is crap"; THAT is Ad Hominem (substituting an attack on the person for an attack on the idea, or argument).

As Kav has pointed out, nobody really cares about what you think of the person, and more importantly, it has no bearing on the actual idea/method/system/argument presented. We shouldn't be so sensitive that we perceive critiques of our ideas as critiques of US.

P.S. I'd also like to thank Reyth for his contributions and work as a Mod.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 09:53:48 AM by Mike »
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 07:01:14 PM »
Not that I want to belabor this point but it is a very fine line between calling a system that someone designed themselves, worked on and tested themselves, "stupid" and calling the designer themselves "stupid"; the line may not actually exist.
 

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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 07:09:26 PM »
Good point Reyth.
I  am not the messenger of my own opinion. Different story if I'm quoting from a source.
If you insult my opinion you insult me.
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 10:40:06 PM »
I don't think that taking criticism of ideas personally helps communication.
If I "hate" the party you vote for, does that mean I hate you? Would you take offense?
I would go as far as saying you should not take not even life personally. But this probably belongs to the philosophy section.
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 10:54:24 PM »
That is y I stress providing  real examples with pictures to prove that a system failed .
It makes the point and avoids all those problems mentioned above.
But real examples, and not references to probabilities, variances, and HE's.
We had too much of that,  that's y things got out of hand.
As far as the HE some see it as the villain, I see it as a small cost of doing business.
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 11:30:30 PM »
Many system creators cannot accept criticism, they tend to take offence.

The result is you don't get constructive negative feedback.

All the creator get is nice pat on the back comments, in many cases elevating them to guru status. Whatever philosophy the guru says automatically becomes the gold standard - don't anyone dare contradict his stance. The seniority pecking order is sacred for the local residents at the expense of advancement in knowledge.

When in fact,  this could possibly perpetuate false notion resulting in the blind leading the blind.

Why would a random knowledgeable person in face of such negative obstacles be motivated to provide any feedback that's different from the mob ? None.

Ego is damaging. The damage is larger than you realise.

Are we here on forums to learn or to teach ?

From the posts made,  we can tell that quite easily whether it's 2way traffic or 1way. Whether the poster welcome negative feedback or not.

(This post is made imho basis with no offense intended on anyone. No further comment about this from me. )
 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 01:47:47 AM »
Your BIAS is showing cht -pun  intended. ;D
 

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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 01:44:25 PM »
In this thread, we use our brain. We can be harsh and even some (not me) is racist. We should not and the call for more civilised is OK. I feel sure "GENTLEMEN" ( in this situation) is not modern, at least not where I live. Women plays the game of roulette. Listen citizen may be  understood. I see this is old as stone, no players think it can be done of a women. Reading books from the time it was just Monaco, the time most of strategies and systems where created.  LOOK at the ancient felt. The EC has a lot  of space. More than the inside. The 1,3 advantages made the 1900th century  (this time just men) doing all old system at EC.

Many books and still sold are from where.

We got on line a new world!!

 
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Re: Keep calm and be a gentleman
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2018, 12:57:37 PM »
We (I) have been deleting posts with personal remarks. But it takes a lot of effort from our part and seems ineffective. Next time I see a personal remark I will ban the poster for a period of time, so he can take better notice of the rules against personal remarks.