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#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 04:04:37 AM »

Thanks, Thomas.
It was your mention of Dealer's Signature that aroused my curiosity.I am not a fan of Dealer's Signature.

I can understand that. Mathematically one could present several ways of showing that "Dealers signature" is but an illusion born in the gamblers mind. Still,  if you have been playing roulette (not RNGs) at Casinos for many years and apply some sort of a system and notation one could discern a clear difference, or slight disruption of the system output, just at the change between two dealers. Where you were winning, suddenly with the change you are starting to loose.

According to the Strong and weak law of large numbers this is the prevalent baseline of averages where any winning streak by the gambler is overcome by the parameters of the game. Hence a gambler should be aware of the temporal factor involved in the game or he will, sooner than later, enter the phase of loosing his money back to the bank.  This simple little platform, basically a kids toy,  shows when such periods occur and consequently one can just stop , collect winnings and leave the casino.

For example look at the session below. Third orange column  presents an overwhelming anomaly on a auto roulette . The sectors are 8 and 29 (both 7 numbers wide). loss -14  win +22.

As you see I have 6 wins and 2 losses making a nice effortless profit of +104 units on 8 bets.  That is an average return on every made bet/spin of 13 units!

As I said. Its a nice toy with a simple but highly efficient mapping. It is also color coded according to Goethes Theory of Colors, for faster adaptation decision when confronting changing of a multitude of conditions in a matrix of many important data.

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#### Dane

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 06:31:28 AM »
There should be only one  0
in the French roulette wheel.  Similarly
there should be only one   o
in       the      word              lose

#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 08:28:54 AM »

Type error on the lose, ok. But where do you see more than one 0 in the roulette display? Are you drinking again Dane, seeing double 0s, double girl friends and double glasses of whiskey on the table?
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#### Dane

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 08:43:39 AM »
As a matter of fact I have been sober since 1976.
BUT NOW I SEE MY TEXT DOUBLE. Is it my fault? No!
As kav probably would have said: "Stop quoting old posts"!

#### Dane

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 01:21:30 PM »
SJÄLVKLART!
"Our inability to see clearly is not due to any inadequate arrangement of the objekts" (M.M. Yogi).
But if you are so obsessed with TWO, maybe you ought to read my brandnew topic in the flat bet
section. You should expect TWO straight up hits per session.

#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2017, 01:40:35 PM »

Swedish jokes on Danish plates. Not a good combination.

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 02:06:00 PM »
This thread contains much excellent roulette wisdom!  Lets expand upon that!

Not to be a stick in the mud (but being a stick in the mud), let's avoid argument for its own sake?

I mean, isn't the Roulette Brotherhood we all share so awesome and inspiring?

Oh, Rinad, on my Snap Back theory, it is:

After a significant gap in the appearance of a number, the chance of that gap immediately repeating and/or becoming worse, is statistically reduced

The new discovery is:

The longer a gap in the appearance of a number, the greater the chances of that number appearing again sooner

Although these are great things to know, utilizing them for profit is the difficult part.

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 02:20:17 PM »

I don't play online but in B&M casinos . Thomas.
How much data do you collect to identify what to bet and when to stop ?
Do you bet in a B&M casino ?
I don't collect data but simply use maths but in a different way from most in this forum .Most seem to collect data but  I think that the data still needs to be interpreted .This is the stumbling block - how to interpret the data .

#### BioBrick

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 02:39:26 PM »
OK, Reyth

It's good to know and quite logical.  And I think I have never seen two really big caps in order smaller gab cap and then bigger big gap  when you get that extreme 370 spin gap then you can quite good confidently at least think that the next cap is smaller and start bet the progression somewhere like 250 spins if its available . But I don't really know what's up with the double and triple snap backs those things are quite even.

#### BioBrick

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 02:50:14 PM »
Reyth this shrinking theory is amazing. Even the greens a lot of times run in order big > smaller > small.

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 03:07:15 PM »
The geometric distribution shows that the hit is most probable at the first spin and then starts to slowly decrease.
This is for 1 number to hit.

 Probability to hit   % Spin 2,7027 0 2,6297 1 2,5586 2 2,4894 3 2,4222 4 2,3567 5 2,2930 6 2,2310 7 2,1707 8 2,1121 9 2,0550 10 1,9994 11 1,9454 12 1,8928 13 1,8417 14 1,7919 15 1,7435 16 1,6963 17 1,6505 18 1,6059 19 1,5625 20 1,5202 21 1,4792 22 1,4392 23 1,4003 24 1,3624 25 1,3256 26 1,2898 27 1,2549 28 1,2210 29 1,1880 30 1,1559 31 1,1247 32 1,0943 33 1,0647 34 1,0359 35 1,0079 36 0,9807 37 0,9542 38 0,9284 39 0,9033 40 0,8789 41 0,8551 42 0,8320 43 0,8095 44 0,7876 45 0,7664 46 0,7456 47 0,7255 48 0,7059 49 0,6868 50 0,6682 51 0,6502 52 0,6326 53 0,6155 54 0,5989 55 0,5827 56 0,5669 57 0,5516 58 0,5367 59 0,5222 60 0,5081 61 0,4944 62 0,4810 63 0,4680 64 0,4554 65 0,4430 66 0,4311 67 0,4194 68 0,4081 69 0,3971 70 0,3863 71 0,3759 72 0,3657 73 0,3558 74 0,3462 75 0,3369 76 0,3278 77 0,3189 78 0,3103 79 0,3019 80 0,2937 81 0,2858 82 0,2781 83 0,2706 84 0,2632 85 0,2561 86 0,2492 87 0,2425 88 0,2359 89 0,2295 90 0,2233 91 0,2173 92 0,2114 93 0,2057 94 0,2002 95 0,1947 96 0,1895 97 0,1844 98 0,1794 99 0,1745 100 0,1698 101 0,1652 102 0,1608 103 0,1564 104 0,1522 105 0,1481 106 0,1441 107 0,1402 108 0,1364 109 0,1327 110 0,1291 111 0,1256 112 0,1222 113 0,1189 114 0,1157 115 0,1126 116 0,1095 117 0,1066 118 0,1037 119 0,1009 120 0,0982 121 0,0955 122 0,0929 123 0,0904 124 0,0880 125 0,0856 126 0,0833 127 0,0810 128 0,0788 129 0,0767 130 0,0746 131 0,0726 132 0,0707 133 0,0688 134 0,0669 135 0,0651 136 0,0633 137 0,0616 138 0,0600 139 0,0583 140 0,0568 141 0,0552 142 0,0537 143 0,0523 144 0,0509 145 0,0495 146 0,0482 147 0,0469 148 0,0456 149 0,0444 150 0,0432 151 0,0420 152 0,0409 153 0,0397 154 0,0387 155 0,0376 156 0,0366 157 0,0356 158 0,0347 159 0,0337 160 0,0328 161 0,0319 162 0,0311 163 0,0302 164 0,0294 165 0,0286 166 0,0278 167 0,0271 168 0,0264 169
 This leads to smarter bet selections

#### BioBrick

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 03:44:46 PM »
https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=910.msg13035#msg13035

Here Reyth has come to same conclusion with a test.  Just found this :O

#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2017, 04:25:03 PM »

I don't play online but in B&M casinos . Thomas.
How much data do you collect to identify what to bet and when to stop ?
Do you bet in a B&M casino ?
I don't collect data but simply use maths but in a different way from most in this forum .Most seem to collect data but  I think that the data still needs to be interpreted .This is the stumbling block - how to interpret the data .

Whenever I am on travel I bet at B&M Casinos (I love the special ambience found in some of them plus the pleasure of having a big pile of chips on the table.)

When I play online at the safe casinos I have selected through the years, I use my developed platforms, all containing very advanced algorithms (except this little toy i posted on this thread)

I usually only need 20 spins, then I have sufficient information on statistical probability, statistical anomaly (standard deviation)  and some other info.  You can see some of those values in the little platform I posted.  All instantly at my finger tips, which gives me sufficient time to bet on the most probable sector/s of the wheel.

I never play the table. That is a given loser however you try to derive  patterns of numbers from it. True and smart roulette play is always about the wheel. Any professional player knows that.

Concerning stops, my platforms gives me a nice red stop light whenever the betting conditions are not good and the variance curve is against my bet selections.

In B&M Casinos, where I cannot use my platforms on a Pad or similar computer, I use basic sector probability and partition math (all converted into a nice tiny chart). Nothing strange. It is enough to generate a nice profit if played carefully and get a nice day and evening in the town I am visiting at any given travel.
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#### scepticus

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2017, 10:01:51 PM »

So you are not a Roulette Professional then Thomas , but a travelling businessman ?
I don't agree that The Only Way to beat roulette is by using  only the  Wheel to determine  what numbers to bet .Though you are not alone here.  Some members hers take the same view but then proceed to undermine their position.  I think you are in danger of the same in your unsubstantiated view that using " The Table ".is necessarily  loser .
All the numbers on the wheel are replicated on the table and one of those numbers MUST be in
A Dozen
A Column
It must be one of the Even -  Chances
etc.
Maths deals with numbers and Roulette is about numbers  so why cannot Maths be used since numbers are in  it's Province ?  You claim too much when you claim that The Wheel is the Only Way to go.
Nor do I think that any Professional Mathematician would agree with you that 20 numbers is sufficient data to determine Standard Deviation so your view here is clearly wrong.
Be satisfied that you win but don't try and hoodwink   us  that Probability Theory cannot be used other than with
self - styled AP.
We win . You win. Leave it at that and don't abuse others because they don't agree with your viewpoint .
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#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2017, 10:15:06 PM »

We win . You win. Leave it at that and don't abuse others because they don't agree with your viewpoint .

Listen, pal. You asked me a couple of questions and I took time and answered my point of view on the matter. What you think is true about what I use during my roulette sessions as a probability baseline isn´t  worth much in my eyes. I ve seen your posts, and the level of your "roulette knowledge", and I ain´t impressed to put it mildly.

This hostile response from you in the quote above is nothing less than childish. If you cannot handle a response on a question you asked another member here, then don´t ask.
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