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#### ignatus

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##### Wheel Of Fortune
« on: April 20, 2017, 03:39:58 AM »
WOF! Wheel of fortune: May this become a legendary system!

This is for live-wheels only! The main idea is that numbers always hit in clusters on the wheel. Atleast numbers hit in clusters so often that a workable system can be used to take advantage of this phenomenon! Furthermore, the progression is perfect, and the betselection is perfect! No difficult tracking of waiting time is needed! This is 10 numbers bet.

Procedure: Bet the 5 neighbours on each side of the current number hit on the wheel (2x5 Sectors). (Use that function all live roulette-tables have to bet a sector of 5 on the wheel!)

Progression: First do 3 spins, then double, after that double bets after each 2 losses in a row.

26/30 Games won (And that's a 87% winrate)

Aproximate calculation of wins/losses

losses: 4*300= -1200

wins: 26*100= +2600

Total= +1400u

First tests was played with 1u bets

Wingoal +100u, stoploss -300u (a BR of 500u is needed)

« Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 04:54:57 AM by ignatus »

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 06:51:05 AM »

Let me see if I got you right on this "system" which basically every gambler with an above average IQ has played since the wheel of roulette was invented with an available racetrack on the table.

You are ready to risk 300 units for every 100 won. That means you accept a win-loss ratio of 0.333 to 1. Such a WL means that for every expected win of 0.333 units, you are willing to to risk 1 unit. Not very bright if you ask me.

Additionally, your participating odds, via this "system", are two five-unit neighbor bets on a wheel with 37 slots.

The odds for a win at any given spin are; 27.027%

So. To recapitulate. You have, probably without having made a single probability calculation on your latest "system", devised this ingenious way of making money from those slimy casinos, now potential suckers when facing the WOF (cocker spaniel?) where any given gambler, applying the horrifying bark of WOF, WOF...has a 27% chance of winning 0.3 units every time he takes the risk of betting 1 unit.

Hmmm, that is really a shocker. I am sure the Casino Managers are shaking in their offices, putting up DOA posters on your name all over the casino walls. I take it game theory has never been your forte.

* DOA -  in wild west times, Dead or Alive, or as used in recent times, Deport On Arrival.
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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 07:01:41 AM »
I don't see anything wrong with testing a 10 number system to learn how it functions.  Its our "roulette vocabulary" that we build with each new system that we try; who knows this system may provide a mental "aha!" moment that allows us to break though?

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#### thomasleor

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 07:09:21 AM »
Really, Reyth?

Have you even visited the roulette tables (with a racetrack) in a real Casino? This betselection on the RT is one of the most common used among gamblers. Its a loser, trust me. Sure you might be lucky and enter a short winning streak. But the odds tells you otherwise.

If anything, you should know enough basic game theory by now, to be able to instantly know whenever a betselection, even if repeated, is a loser.

Are there winning "systems" that base their betselection on the wheel and not the table? Sure I know of many, some of them using wheel distance differentiation as a sector predicting outcome and then other using far more advanced math and sector predicting methodology, but that is not what was discussed here.
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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 07:41:10 AM »
This betselection on the RT is one of the most common used among gamblers. Its a loser, trust me. Sure you might be lucky and enter a short winning streak. But the odds tells you otherwise.

Right?

All of my more or less "successful" wheel based system is build around the "clustering phenomenon" (numbers like to hit in clusters on the wheel) ...

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 07:43:40 AM »
OK Now, the trigger and progression has been changed (optimized) as far as it goes:

Progression: D'Alembert-progression (+1/-1)

Wingoal & Stoploss the same (+100/-300) played with 1u bets

Trigger: Same numbers are played only for 3 spins (ONE 10 numbers cycle!), then change trigger.

4/4 Games won

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 08:12:46 AM »
I think you can take almost any betting system and make it a winner with the proper modifications and I don't care as much about the specifics as I do about the general experience of watching how it performs and letting it "sink in".

Its these "roulette experiences" that have an impact within our subconscious that help us learn on a conscious level as well.  Our subconscious mind is both deeply brilliant and incredibly stupid/simple at the same time; sometimes we have to do things that may seem "stupid" to our conscious mind to make a proper subconscious impression.

Its not necessarily an ENTIRE system that can give us a breakthrough, but a little piece might do so; the more "little pieces" we add to our experience, the greater chance we have of putting the puzzle together? :shrug:

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2017, 08:19:30 AM »

Ignat, this "teenage" like activity of spitting out system ideas are positively egregious.

Trust me, I like them, because despite the underlying odds against you, especially when challenging the fixed table configuration of the wheel numbers, which even Pascal himself failed to beat,  you never give up on trying to find that "magic pattern" that ensures a consistent profit. Unfortunately that will never happen.

Much of this stems probably from an inborn stubbornness in you to challenge what you do not fully comprehend. A sort of anarchistic view on the Universe and its sea of continuous everchanging patterns of measurable probability. Though basic Game theory disproves any system you have produced so far,  you still keep attacking the problem. I like that too. It shows Spirit.

I suspect you suffer from a strong influence of ADHD, ODD and a lighter form of Aspergers syndrome (common among gamblers) , which helps you focus your energy on constantly creating and abandoning "systems" on this massive scale you have shown on this forum and some others.

You are what this forum needs and is famous for. A source of constant entertainment.
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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2017, 08:22:32 AM »
LOL!  Thanks i guess? hahah

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2017, 01:18:44 PM »
This is really what all ideas are to me. Fun to test and possibly learn something new from. I take away different ideas from different systems and find my own profitable system. I personally enjoy everything ignatus posts here because he keeps my brain waves moving.
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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2017, 01:21:43 PM »

Let me see if I got you right on this...

OK Real, you dont have to post under a different name

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 01:07:22 AM »
13/14 Games won

Perhaps the new trigger and progression needs to be mentioned and clarified again?

The trigger and progression has been changed (optimized) as far as it goes:

Progression: D'Alembert-progression (+1/-1) +1u for each loss, -1u for each win, until reached a new high, (then reset to 1u).

Wingoal & Stoploss (+100/-300) played with 1u bets

Trigger: Same numbers are played only for 3 spins (ONE 10 numbers cycle!), then change trigger. THAT IS "change trigger" bet the new current number hit (and it's 5 neighbours) 5 numbers on each side AFTER 3 spins!

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 02:49:26 AM »
Tweak no.2; How to turn a losing session into a winning session

Progression: +1u AFTER 2 spins. 11223344556677... etc. WHEN WIN Go back 1-2 steps, for an example you win betting 7u, now you go back to 6u. (AND reset to 1u after reaching a new high).

Trigger: The current number's hit 5 neighbours ARE BET FOR ONLY 1 spin. Then change bets into the new number hit-- (and it's new 5 neighbours)..

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2017, 06:36:50 AM »
Wow nice!  I think I would have ended it before the final small drawdown... O_o

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##### Re: Wheel Of Fortune
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 01:59:03 PM »
I was thinking to start a new topic with the new rules (Tweak no.2), but i guess i keep it for now.

5/5 Games won (played with Tweak no.2)

Minimum BR needed: 500u

Wingoal: 200-250u