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scepticus

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2017, 09:55:22 PM »
You lack understanding , Mr . Perfect.
Good Luck with your imagination.
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2017, 11:06:18 PM »
I definitely do not understand what you are about... l suppose you do understand it better then l do. I think each one should focus on what he is doing, me on AP and you on your gambling fallacies.
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2018, 10:23:24 PM »
Reading this thread was like watching a tug of war match. I would have liked there to have been a conclusion.

I think the big problem here is the lack of understanding. Spin history is not the same for both player types. To the system/method player it is simply a string of past numbers on which gamblers fallacy is based. For AP a string of past numbers is of little value without the data relating to the ball and cylinder movements of each spins.

I may not be qualified enough to speak with authority on AP subjects but any rational thinking person will be able to pick up that the discussion deteriorates into pettiness in spite of valid points being presented to explain the reason for AP data collection.

The lack of understanding is evident in the presumed AP play on a bias wheel where they will play only one section of the wheel spin after spin. To my knowledge this is not how a bias wheel is played. The ball still lands all over the wheel but will favour numbers in one section more when the prediction based on ball spin behaviour is calculated to land in that section.

There are system/strategy players who confirm that systems will lose in the long run and it is accepted as proven fact. Gamblers fallacy is based on system play. AP can not be affected by gamblers fallacy based on the definition of the fallacy.

 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 11:57:55 PM »
I think the problem is luck of examples when it comes to AP.
When I post about a system, I usually try to give a real life example, in a language simple enough for a layman to understand.
Then everybody gets the chance  to see it, test and report back the results.
Mr. P's presentation is too cryptic at best.
Rather than providing a real life example with all the explanations necessary, he enlists the underlying power of physics in general to add weight in favor of his argument, while blatantly dismissing everything that has to do with systems by referring them to the GF or the concept of randomness.
That's y we get statements like a spin is different than a spin result. You have to spin to get a spin result. Or is it if the dealer looks towards the ceiling the spin (and therefore its result) doesn't count, as opposed to looking directly at the ball when the spin and its result counts?
Or is it only qualified spins count and therefore only numbers that came from qualified spins can be accepted for further processing?
Do you want a guitar teacher that talks about chords all day long, and never takes the time to show you what specific frets to put your fingers on ?
Luck of examples makes every argument rather dubious instead of convincing.

« Last Edit: January 24, 2018, 12:10:16 AM by palestis »
 
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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2018, 03:15:49 AM »
Palestice,  l do not post for you personally.  I post for someone who wanna understand what he reads and able to think about it. If l post something about spins, it's for these who can be bothered to go out there and collect some data. ;). Who knows if it's You in the future who gonna reread my posts?
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2018, 06:37:45 AM »
Palestis, I believe your summation was fair and accurate, well worth reading and assimilating.
On the other hand, serial obfuscators, who, by their own admission, read very little, but decry very much, tend not to offer a valid, balanced argument.
Keep up the good work.
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2018, 06:42:26 AM »
I get your your point Palestis.

This is the way I understand it and if I'm wrong please correct me.

A spin contains much detail (infomation) to AP where to a system player a spin is recorded only as the number the ball lands on.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2018, 07:11:43 AM by MickyP »
 
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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2018, 07:37:56 AM »
By George, I think he's got it!
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2018, 07:41:25 AM »
On the other hand, serial obfuscators, who, by their own admission, read very little, but decry very much, tend not to offer a valid, balanced argument.
I see you learnt a new word today; obfuscate,  and you created a sentence to use it in.
Palestis contributes to discussions with good sound reasoning in his posts. Your comforting pat on the back support post although well intended does not address the discussion nor offer any possible solutions.
Take "valid balanced argument" and add value to the post by doing just that.
The discussion turned into a mud slinging exchange because both antagonists defend their views by trying to break down the others point of view instead of building on and validating their own stance.
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2018, 08:07:39 AM »
You may have understood Palestis' point, but you completely misunderstood mine, I was agreeing with you, (and the obfuscation was not a reference to anything you were discussing)
 
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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2018, 01:50:11 PM »
Mickey, there is no " discussion " here to deriteorate. 
   Thing is, multivariable statistical analysis is only for select few. Funniest thing is the proccess of selection is performed by individual himself. These who dare to read a bit more then " standard school education" require and actually go out there and collect multivariable data for analysis ... these are selected naturally.
   No one stops interested individual to contact me personally for example, or read " recommended books " topic and try to figure out by himself.
    I post real life examples of real studies performed by me personally on real wheels out there assessable by almost anyone WITH PICTURES!!! Yet... for someone who has no ability to understand that " std" is standard deviation,"edge " is % in players favor... it's " criptical at the best".
   So what's really missing there? Is it " real life examples" or understanding of the math? How discussion even possible with " plant enginire" who is unable to make sense of simple  bayesian stats?
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2018, 08:13:49 PM »
Point taken MrPerfect. I agree with you on this one but let's face it, your discussion started strong but you got sucked into mud slinging in the end.
I can understand your frustration in trying to explain yourself when the other party seems not to want to understand but rather to discredit you.

You are doing a great service to the forum. Keep up the good work.
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2018, 09:20:52 PM »
Thank you , Micky
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2018, 11:03:59 PM »
But I do understand , Micky.
The AP in this forum is not REAL AP which is performed by those using a computer " at the scene  of the crime ".
NO profitable AP has been recorded without the use of a computer at the  scene. In short there is no evidence that these guys are profiting by their method Except in forums. Ask any Physicist if their form of AP has validity.
When Mr' Perfect first came to this forum he said that he was not selling anything only later to tell us that he was selling his advice,.One of his customers- who paid him  E300 - complained that it was rubbish > And Mr. Perfect wanted the ability to delete any posts which criticised him !.
He and other AP in this forum should be allowed to advocate their ideas but I object to their abuse of System Players . They preach tolerance of others point of view  - but don't practice  tolerance unless it suits them.
I don't think that they can do what they claim and have challenged them to prove it -in a real casino with real money - their money. The acid test of betting is betting for real - and not  words in a forum.
 
 

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Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2018, 11:47:11 PM »
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Reading this thread was like watching a tug of war match. I would have liked there to have been a conclusion.



Yes, like blood, a body or something, right?   8)
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