NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN

[jekhb76]

Sorry to interupt, but now i'm confused. 
Harry posted a new betting method for the target dozen. He is playing 2 DS in that dozen.
As understand it, he is not using a progression.
He oa betting the following (please correct me if i'm wrong).

DS 1     DS 2 (in target dozen)

3           3  (6 TB) (18 Return) (12 Profit)
4           4  (14TB) (24 Return) (10 Profit)

And he is using no progression, he is goin' with the flow of the W/L ratio?

but when we have a 3 back to back loss, and we use no progression, we are never gonna recoup om our losses. plus we need a bigger bankroll to play it that way. How is this and insurence while playing? And is better to only bet when you habe to play the 1e dozen, YXX (so only bet when we have L M M (bet on L) and when we have L H H (bet on L) and skip the othr betting oppertunities?

Can Harry on Terminator do a playthrough session, so we can understand this? thanks.
i'm confused.

[TERMINATOR]

Eddy, I've never played with Double Streets yet, so Harry would be better qualified to give an example.

He does use a 5 step progression. He bets 3 units on each DS. If they both lose, he goes to step 2, which is 4 units on each DS. Etc. He explains this in an earlier post.

[jekhb76]

How to play alternate dozen system.
Wait till you have 2 number that are not more then 3 spins apart and not more then 3 numbers apart from eachother.
Example spin;
12
7 *
9 *
15
21
1 Win.

Number 7 and 9 are your triggers, now start betting dozen 1 until hit using Palestis progression. 112 224 448 8816
when you have a hit but not at a new high proceed with next trigger at step 2 from the progression. When you encounter a zero while searching for a trigger, skip until the zero isn't part of the trigger zone anymore. When you have 2 triggers and you start to bet, a zero comes along before you have a hit, take the loss and start over by searching for a new trigger.

it show good results but more testing is needed. it's an alternetive from the original single dozen gameplay, so you cam switch now and then. it shows that it is also a save method till now. let me know what you think - Eddy

22 x win after 1 spin
12 x win after 2 spins
14 x win after 3 spins
06 x win after 4 spins
01 x win after 5 spins
01 x win after 6 spins
01 x win after 7 spins
01 x win after 8 spins
00 x win after 9 spins
02 x win after 10 spins

Total rounds played: 60

29
35
9
----------
16 *
3
16 *
17 W
---------- 1 spin
21 *
5
19 *
4
13 W
---------- 2 spin
6
13
1
14
0
9
7
0
10
34
----------
7 *
12
4 *
17
12 W
---------- 2 spin
34 *
34 *
36 W
---------- 1 spin
36
----------
15 *
10
16 *
8
2
17 W
---------- 3 spin
14 *
14 *
5
32
29
30
29
1
36
27
36
21 W
---------- 10 spin
18
13
31
1 *
10
1 *
26
34
8 W
---------- 3 spin
0
35 *
8
34 *
34 W
--------- 1 spin
17
0
18
13
1 *
28
11 *
14
17
6 W
---------- 3 spin
18
25
8
22  *
13
23 *
5
9
14 W
---------- 3 spin
15
10 *
9 *
27
25
4 w
---------- 3 spin
9 *
12 *
29
23
26
35
34
9 W
---------- 6 spin
14 *
0
16 *
5
15 W
---------- 2 spin
29 *
21
27 *
16
3
15
26 W
---------- 4 spin
8 *
3
8 *
13
14
10 W
---------- 3 spin
0
4
29
16
0
3 *
31
1 *
4 W
---------- 1 spin
14 *
14 *
11
9
0
5
8
12
14 W
---------- 7 spin
11 *
11 *
28
1 W
---------- 2 spin
8
33 *
36 *
34 W
---------- 1 spin
12
0
22
32
11 *
13
10 *
16
5 W
---------- 2 spin
17
13
28 *
1
31
27 *
3
4
10
29 W
---------- 4 spin
35
27
21 *
23 *
19
22 W
---------- 2 spin
22
16
26
4
9
13
33 *
22
29
34 *
11
18
34 W
---------- 3 spin
15
7
26 *
31
25 *
23
9
31 W
---------- 3 spin
26
19 *
19 *
14 W
---------- 1 spin
29 *
27 *
27 W
---------- 1 spin
22
17 *
35
9
17 *
18 W
---------- 1 spin
19 *
2
18 *
1
22 W
---------- 2 spin
26
7
15 *
13 *
30
15 W
---------- 2 spin
32 *
8
17
32 *
34 W
---------- 1 spin
31
35 *
36 *
11
11
17
32 W
---------- 4 spin
25
21
36
15
10
3
34
26
17
1
6 *
4 *
5 W
---------- 1 spin
7 *
20
8 *
36
8 W
---------- 2 spin
35
27
31
8 *
10 *
33
15
34
5 W
---------- 4 spin
16 *
13 *
18 W
---------- 1 spin
22
31
27
1 *
3 *
33
30
2 W
---------- 3 spin
33
14
23 *
22 *
6
13 W
---------- 2 spin
13
20
7 *
10 *
2 W
---------- 1 spin
3
12
8
36
27
18 *
13
3
19 *
34
36
8
35
34
12
2
0
10
23 W
---------- 10 spin
27
32
18
6
27 *
0
11
26 *
0
30 W
---------- 2 spin
16
11
20
5
28 *
30 *
24
20
10
12
16
16
7
27 W
---------- 8 spin
8
30
16 *
17 *
16 W
---------- 1 spin
25
11
15
6
34
11 *
29
8 *
25
2 W
---------- 2 spin
26
20 *
10
34
21 *
2
3
24 W
---------- 3 spin
11
33 *
30 *
2
19
33 W
---------- 3 spin
5
0
6
2
0
31 *
25
29 *
5
3
29 W
---------- 3 spin
21 *
23 *
15 W
---------- 1 spin
33
14 *
15 *
34
1
11
20 W
---------- 4 spin
24
29
11
16 *
1
16 *
31
26
34
14 W
---------- 4 spin
19
14
29 *
30 *
26 W
---------- 1 spin
30 *
33 *
13
16
32 W
---------- 3 spin
36
4
20 *
19 *
16 W
---------- 1 spin
11
16
0
0
18
12
14 *
7
2
14 *
17 W
---------- 1 spin
25
21
33
4 *
7 *
10 W
---------- 1 spin
6
13
36
25
19
30
2
7
26
19
13
36
2
29
11
20 *
18 *
22 W
---------- 1 spin
7 *
7 *
27
14
10 W
---------- 3 spin
28 *
31 *
29 W
---------- 1 spin
19
10
27
3
16
35 *
8
36 *
27 W
---------- 1 spin
30
16
25
24 *
21 *
26
30
0
3
22 W
---------- 5 spin
29
4 *
7 *
11 W
---------- 1 spin
10

[Lemon]

Going back to Palestis's original system.  I haven't played this system long enough to make any firm conclusions.  However, I have noticed that I have had excellent results when I get the duel trigger of 3 unique dozens in a row in any order (XYZ, etc.)  followed by a YXX.   It is a strong enough trigger that I raise my stakes when this occurs.  I will post example of my play when I get enough data.

Cheers

[palestis]

@ Lemon
Sounds very much like my style of play.
A YXX trigger following an XYZ sequence acts as a reset, from a possible presence of a variance.
I don't mind waiting for hours for things to line in a way, where winning is almost certain.
I have plenty of patience when it comes to certainty in winning. And I care less for the adrenaline of playing, and the disappointment of some lost winning opportunities. 
The core system has performed very well under the standard way I have posted.
But for those who don't have the heart to go thru the cycles of winning, losing some levels, and then recovering, before continuing, the way you suggested is a surefire way to win.  But without the heartaches of some temporary losses on the way to victory.
Any system can be customized  to the player's personality. But the core system has to be a good system to begin with.
The way you suggested is highly recommended for high stakes play, where the end result matters and not how you get there.

[jekhb76]

Just did another session with my alternate play, these are the results with 1u base bet.
162 spins result in € +40

32
16
28 *
22
30 *
26 W
---------- +2 units
6  *
21
6  *
11 W
---------- +2 units
24 *
1
21 *
21 W
---------- +2 units
23 *
22 *
5
34
22 W
---------- +2 units
28
34 *
22
31 *
29 W
---------- +2 units
4
36
18
10 *
12 *
14
26
5  W
----------- +2 units
13 *
31
6
15 *
28
17 W
----------- +1 unit
6  *
9  *
25
12 W
----------- +1 unit
31 *
19
27
33 *
17
31 W
----------- +1 unit
18
35
7  *
5  *
13
15
4  W
------------ +2 units
3
21 *
29
24 *
13 W
------------ +2 units
3  *
3  *
16
33
22
5  W
------------ 0
23
26 *
27 *
35 W
------------ +2 units
16
36 *
36 *
1
2
12
33 W
------------- 0
11 *
9  *
35
9  W
------------- +1 unit
12
30 *
17
31 *
5
22
31 W
-------------- +2 units
33 *
23
25
31 *
0   no betting
-------------
14
22
6  *
8  *
7  W
------------- +2 units
9
13
24
28
0
24 *
26
30
21 *
18 W
------------ +2 units
10
3
23 *
24 *
21 W
----------- +2 units
33
13
23
8
30
18 *
16 *
20 W
----------- +2 units
18
12
32
9  *
16
6  *
24
25
5  W
------------ +2 units
29
3
9  *
25
6  *
27
21
35
11 W
--------------- 0
21 *
30
21 *
15 W
--------------- +2 units
33 *
4
30 *
15
26 W
-------------- +1 unit
16
1
6
24
32 *
34 *
23
7
35 W
------------- +2 unit
35
4  *
6  *
13
11 W
------------- +1 unit

[Harryj]

Terminator has voiced a concern I often get. How do I handle the DS play.1st let me state that I began playing DS about 40years ago. The casino introduced the concept of inside and outside numbers. With different, and less favourable, rules for the outside numbers. It was aimed at curtailing system play. Which concentrated on outside numbers.
        I studied the layout and wheel and decided that DS's looked like the best alternative. I soon four d that DS were much more versatile. I have not bet an outside number since, and will never do so again !!

    How are DS better ? CHOICE ! In the case of dozens I have12 possible dozens instead of 3. With EC's 8 have 20 possibilities instead of 6.
    How is this better ? Many years ago I embarked on research to find the best arrangements of bets around he wheel. EC's alternate, which looked lime a good arrangement. At no time would you miss by more than 1 pocket. Yet I found that 3DS usually performed better. I won't bore you with the painstaking research that followed. Even if I HD the skills. Computers weren't available.

    Mi found wheel sectors were more reliable. Divide the wheel into halves, thirds, quarters, or sixths, ninths or twelves and the results were likely to be better than EC's, dozens, 3 streets, DS, quads or streets. Tohe problem was tracking and betting these sectors was laborious. There had to be an easier way on the layout. So I judged the DS until the results showed a consistent improvement.

     So I don't bet dozens(DS 12,34,56) I bet DS pairs that include 1low DS and 1high DS. That gives me dozens(12numbers)that include an equal number of R.B.O.E. and H.L. I then loomed at the pattern of bets around the wheel. Alternating groups of 1 or 2 wasn't the answer. That was featured on the 2 wheels. If it were bad for them the casinos would have changed it. I found that a group of 4 and 3 with a minimum of single numbers spread randomly around the wheel gave best results. That is the reasoning behind my DS play. It is highly likely that similar results would work for for other bets. You will have to do thàt research yourself.

      So for an EC bet I use 3 DS. For dozens I use 2.

       Terminator you got the betting right. The 2 extra safety (insured) bets seem to pay their way.   

[Reyth]

        I studied the layout and wheel and decided that DS's looked like the best alternative. I soon four d that DS were much more versatile. I have not bet an outside number since, and will never do so again !!

    How are DS better ? CHOICE ! In the case of dozens I have12 possible dozens instead of 3. With EC's 8 have 20 possibilities instead of 6.   

I have also discovered a deeper dimension to this versatality/flexibility. 

The ability to choose exactly which numbers we bet with smaller selections, can offer a statistical advantage that is not offered with the "pre-made" & larger bet selections which simply must be bet as an entire whole or not at all.

In other words, the more we are able split up a bet selection, the more we are able to tailor the specific numbers we bet to the statistics that are manifested by the random flow.

This is a hidden advantage that can only be discovered through direct research.  It may be that we are talking about the same thing, even though you are using a wheel based approach & I am using a felt based approach. 

[Harryj]

Jekb76, congratulations !!   You misunderstood the original system and managed to create a viable alternative. WELL DONE.
         The W/L ratio seems good. It may be better with a slightly more aggressive progression. The fact that you have been steadily winning indicates thatvit will stand up to long term testing.

@ Reyth, we bet on the felt. So any bet that works on the wheel must also work on the felt. Any bet I make on the felt must also balance on the wheel. The AP players shouldn't be the only ones to consider the wheel.
     Regards,
                      Harry

[TERMINATOR]

@ HarryJ

Thanks for sharing the research you did to determine that betting on the Double Streets is more profitable. That was an interesting read!

So for an EC bet I use 3 DS. For dozens I use 2.

May I ask which 3 DS's you use for EC, and which 2 DS's you use for the Single Dozen Strategy? How do you determine which DS to bet on?

For example, when we are using the Single Dozens Strategy, we are dealing with XYZ triggers to determine which Dozen to bet. In your case, would "X" be something like #1-6 (First DS) and #19-24 (second DS). And this will always be "X" for you?

Thanks for clarifying!

PS. I wonder if the 2 extra safety (insured) bets would also work in Palestis's progression? We'd have to adjust the numbers, but if it works in your progression, it might also be helpful in Palestis's progression.

[Cone1986]

Morning all,

As a long time lurker I felt compelled to add my experience and advice of using this excellent system. It has proved to be a valuable tool when used in conjunction with my own methods. I'm a great believer in using multiple systems to come out of a roulette session with a profit, especially when using outside bets.

However, I did try using this system on it's own for 150 spins and it worked great as the highest progression level that I got to was three (although I'm sure this would of been higher the longer I played).

My own system experiences a double loss coming in approximately once every 30-40 spins. I have a double & triple loss recovery method that has not failed me in over 12,000 spins - however it can prove to be very laborious (and time consuming) to complete. This single dozen method has proved its worth to me as a fast recovery intermediate method for when things don't go to plan. The beauty of it is that because I'm not using it systematically, I'm not encountering (touch wood) more than a level 2 progression so far. And that's exactly how I would recommend this method is used, as a compliment to a method with a higher hit rate.

I'll keep playing it for the forseable future and I'm willing to take it to a level 9 progression -  which according to my simulated results is highly unlikely.

I'm not one to utilise new methods in my tried and tested system but this method really has helped me out, so thanks Palestis.

[kav]

Cone and Lemon,
Welcome to the forum!

Harry,
Would you like to explain how does combining 2 DS would produce sector bets in the wheel layout? (if this is what you mean)
IMO one needs 3 DS to create sector bets on the wheel. Could you give us example(s)?

[TERMINATOR]

@ Cone1986

Thanks for sharing. I'd be interested in hearing about your method. The safer we can make any method, the better! If it's not appropriate to post your method in this thread, maybe you can start a new one and post the link here? Thanks!

[jekhb76]

To HarryJ,

What about this progression for my alternate dozen method?

Progression line is:  1-1-2-3-4-5-6-9-12-17-25-34 with these 12 bet levels you either win 1 time and are at a new high, or if you're not at a new high you drop back 4 steps and bet that number and if you get those 2 wins you will be at a new high.  The nice thing about this way of winning 2 in a row is if you win and aren't at a new high and then lose the 2nd bet, you are at least 4 levels back from where you would have been.The progression continues: 37-44-54-73-95-123.  Okay that's 18 bets.  These last 6 levels require 3 wins in a row to reach a new high.  After each win we drop back only 3 bets.  As above, 1 or 2 wins followed by a loss will not totally recover, but you will be a lot farther back down the line and with a good bet selection we won't get to these later numbers too often.  This progression represents over 500 units if you lose all 18 levels without a win of any kind.  Highly unlikely.This progression is much less aggressive than the straight martingale for a single dozen which starts out the same way for the first 5 levels but then doesn't escalate as rapidly as a regular martingale.

[Cone1986]

@ Cone1986

Thanks for sharing. I'd be interested in hearing about your method. The safer we can make any method, the better! If it's not appropriate to post your method in this thread, maybe you can start a new one and post the link here? Thanks!

Hi Terminator. I intend on putting a complete post together to show how I've managed to sustain my bank roll through multiple methods at some point. The underlying philosophy behind what I do is centred around utilising time, patience, a high BR and random methods with extreme triggers for dealing with losses.

I use a divisor based method for overcoming a pattern for most large losses. Once I get time I will put a worked example together as I think thats the best way to show it. Basically, I break down a loss into managable parts and tackle them individually. The pattern part is the clever part, but I'll save that for my own post.

I've been using the single dozen method again last night and so far so good, reached a level 3 loss this time but continued fine. I only aim to make 100 units a day on average from a 10,000 U BR as I'm too busy at work to do any more.