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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #615 on: January 13, 2018, 01:27:11 AM »
LROP is a live wheel specialist and knows the sites that payout and win; I have seen some of these sites spin very quickly like once every 15-30 seconds. 

For RNG I can recommend ClubWorld (they have .25 minimums) and Firstonlinecasinoinnepal (.01 minimums).  For ClubWorld, be sure to test the maximums because I have found they are not as they might appear to us.

For the 100 unit method, one could play it once or twice for a loss and then increase the unit size to 2 for a greater winning (recoup) range?

Jek's method looks awesome! :D
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #616 on: January 13, 2018, 03:26:34 AM »
I would like to once more thank Palestis (a true teacher) and everyone else who participated in this topic, for such an amazing system and so valuable feedback and testing. This topic is now over 40 pages long and has over 40K views.

I tried to do a short summary of it and posted here: https://www.roulette30.com/system-dozens-columns 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #617 on: January 13, 2018, 05:41:53 AM »
Jek,

I am reading all 42 pages of this topic and noticed that you use different variations (very interesting in their own right) of Palestis system, according to these messages:
https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.msg21649#msg21649
https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.msg21754#msg21754
In the second message you are betting continuously until a win, which is totally different than Palestis method.
So just to be clear, in your success did you use the Palestis method and triggers and 3 bets, or your own interpretation of it?

Btw, I take this chance to clarify the resulting progression from your divider:
1 1 2 2 3 5 5 7 7 9 11 14 17 21  21 25 30 36 43 50

Thank you.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #618 on: January 14, 2018, 11:46:49 AM »
I just realised I made a slight error - my 12 step progression requires more like 200 units, it was £100 I was thinking of based on 50p units, which is equal to 200 units.. So playing at £1 as a unit needs twice that, £200. In which case the divisor may be safer to deploy. Hard to see how you would lose it all at b&m casinos with this trigger pattern.

My progression is the fairly standard 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,13,20,30,45,65
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #619 on: January 14, 2018, 09:18:14 PM »
Just taking this back to the basic starting info (and sorry if I have missed this already) - Pales, does it make any difference if the wheel is being spun in alternate directions, or only in one direction? I realised that where I had success at B&M casino, they alternated, whereas the online wheels I found were not hitting as often were only being spun one way. Did you find it makes much difference?
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #620 on: January 14, 2018, 09:46:19 PM »
All of the testing was done with numbers coming from Wiesbaden as well as numbers I have on file from a casino that alternates directions.
But testing live, with numbers coming from some casinos that spin only in one direction, I haven't found any differences.
The system is based on the law of the thirds, and spin direction doesn't change the facts that this law is based on.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #621 on: January 26, 2018, 10:41:04 PM »
I've been working on a wagering plan to use with this system that combines my straight progression with the divisor discussed here. My issue with going straight into the divisor is that you don't make a full recovery into profit with one win, so if you get a win but then lose a couple of spins after that, you are more or less back to square one. You need to win 2 or even 3 times on the first spin after a trigger to recover into profit. However straight progression as we know is risky, my idea allowed for 12 bets but needed 200 units.

So what have I come up with?

We will bet with progression for the first 7 spins, betting the following units:
1,1,2,3,4,6,9 (26 units total)

At this point we turn to the divisor. We are over 22 units down, so we are dividing by 4.  26/4 rounded up gives us 7, so our next bet is 7 units.

In the table below look just at the first 3 columns - spin number, unit size to bet and total amount bet so far. By spin 12 we have bet 199 units and this is the stop point if we are progressing on every spin.

Now look at column 4 and 5 - this is where instead, we introduce the divisor before the 8th spin. Instead of increasing from 9 units to 13, we use the divisor and decrease from 9 down to 7. If we lose, column 5 shows our total loss (now 33 units) and column 6 which only kicks in once the divisor is in use tells us what our next bet needs to be. Following the divisor rules, its now 33/4 rounded up, meaning 9 units for the next spin. If we lose, we are down 41 so we look at column 6 and see what is needed next.

On we go, and by using the divisor we can now bet 17 times with a total loss of 216 units.

1   1   1          1   1         
2   1   2          1   2         
3   2   4          2   4         
4   3   7          3   7         
5   4   11          4   11         
6   6   17          6   17   Divisor sum  Units to bet on next spin      
7   9   26          9   26   26/4              7   
8   13   39          7   33   33/4              9   
9   20   59          9   41   41/4             11   
10   30   89         11   52   52/4             13   
11   45   134         13   65   65/4             17   
12   65   199         17   82   82/4               21   
13   STOP            21   103   103/5            21   
14               21   124   129/5            25   
15               25   149   149/5            30   
16               30   179   179/5            36   
17               36   216   STOP   

From everything this thread has shown us, it would seem borderline unthinkable that you would not have won by the 17th spin. Obviously as referenced above, you would need to get another win, maybe 2 wins, to be back in profit - but the divisor is buying you more chances to recover. If you suffer a freak bad run it is unlikely this will continue after a win, or maybe at that point you change wheels, so recovery should be possible before you hit the stop loss. Straight progression with only 12 spins, perhaps just occasionally will still result in a total loss.

What I like about this wagering plan is you get 7 chances to immediately be in profit which most of the time will be sufficient. When that rare bad run comes you deploy the divisor to give yourself every chance to stay in the game.

Thoughts on this concept please as I will not be able to play at B&M casino for a few weeks so am using the time to try and come up with the best wagering plan and goal targets so when I do get there (and I will be able to play daily for about 2 weeks solid) I can really smash it!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #622 on: January 28, 2018, 04:29:15 PM »
Hi,
I am new to the page and forum and I have to say quite loud: As a newbie in roulette and after reading tons of info all around the web, this is the first method that is really working for me and has a perspective of staying profitable on the long term.
I didn't start thinking about the wagering system, I wanted to test firs the real win/lose statistical outcomes... Since yesterday, I found 76 "triggers" (XXY sequence, as described in the method) and my results are:
58 wins
18 loses

That is pretty AMAZING for something that is paying 3 to 1! And on the loses I am also including those times at which I stopped after the second bet of the "attack", due to the X coming two times on the first two bets (second red flag described in the method). So therefore not generating a "full lose", just 2/3 of a lose  :)

It is a system that requires a lot of discipline, above all I find very important to withdraw from betting when red flags pop up (same third more than 3 times on a row). But the triggers are appearing very fast in normal conditions, you don't get that much time to be bored without betting.

I am going to start now thinking about my wagering system (starting of course by reading the previous discussions here), I want to find something that fits to my way of betting, usually low risk. But before that I wanted to ask those having tested the system for longer: Did you also encounter this approximate 3 wins : 1 lose ratio?
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #623 on: January 28, 2018, 07:26:12 PM »
It depends what you are playing biturbo - I only play when the trigger is XYY and I am considering only doing this on dozens, not columns. That will obviously mean more waiting around but I have a plan to start with 108 units (as above for my wagering plan but halved as I will only be betting units of 50p initially) and win £100 in my first day. I will then gradually up the stakes and goals so by the end of 2 weeks I will be able to bet around £15-20 per spin and a goal of £1500-2000 in a day. I don't know if it will work and my next phase is to build in what happens at each session should it result in a loss to the stop target. As long as this doesn't happen over the first 3 sessions I'll still be in profit overall but would have to scale back the goals for the next days. If each session does get me to my target though, I should have around £8000 profit by the end of 2 weeks.

You on the other hand may have just tested with the original triggers of any X and two Y's in a sequence or used columns as well?

One thing I have just done is grabbed 500 spins from one of the online studio wheels and followed them looking for triggers and results. Only once did I find myself going 7 spins without a win, so in my wagering plan there would have been one occasion where I needed to introduce the divisor, but I would have recovered quickly as some quick wins followed on the next few triggers.

However, and this is key - I noticed on FOUR separate occasions, and indeed this happened EVERY time it came up, when the trigger came but there was a REPEAT number in the sequence, the next 3 bets we would have placed all lost.

So for example you see 3, 20, 20 and you think aha, we have a trigger to start betting first dozen. You would be disappointed as your 3 bets all lose. As I say, every time the number repeated to give you the trigger point, it failed. I therefore would strongly consider this to be an additional red flag. Pales in your far wider testing is this something you've noticed? It might have just been coincidence for me today after all.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #624 on: January 28, 2018, 07:32:35 PM »
Also can I just check Pales - lets take the following sequence:

30
5
4

Trigger to bet 3rd dozen

1
14
18

No wins, however there is now a trigger to start betting the first dozen. Do you run with that or do you leave it and begin afresh looking for a new trigger, as this one appeared while we were already engaged in a game?

I'm never sure whether to jump right back on the horse in this situation or just wait for some more spins before I carry on. Its maybe best to leave it and wait but of course you're disappointed you just lost 3 spins and want to try and win quickly so this needs a bit of discipline.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #625 on: January 28, 2018, 08:48:27 PM »
8 000 euro in 2 weeks with a starting bank 100? What the hell mate...can you post your plan t odoing this? And what is the method and progression are you play? Cause you said, that only XYY trigger , but one more post your example was YXY too.

1500-2000 euro in weeks with this system is possible to win? A read all methods, progressions, triggers, red flags, but which is the BEST way to play this great holly grail system? A speak just middling in english, so i dont understand everything about the  system, but i want, and want to test, play, and win.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #626 on: January 28, 2018, 09:33:57 PM »
It depends what you are playing biturbo - I only play when the trigger is XYY and I am considering only doing this on dozens, not columns. That will obviously mean more waiting around but I have a plan...

I don't find that a bad decision at all. After my first tests and having read the first 8 pages of this thread, I think that the key element here is patience. You see a sequence you don't like, whatever your reasons are, you don't bet. Almost all of the previous posts (again, I only read the first pages of this very interesting thread) that stated the system not working were due to not following the red flag rules that the author of the system explained. Many of those commentaries started with a "Well, I didn't follow the rules always, but...". As Palestis also demonstrated on some examples, the big losts are almost always preluded by a "funny" combination of numbers, as same number coming three times out of five, same dozen 7 times out of 10. Key there, in my opinion, is go grab a Coke, let the wheel turn 3-5 times in between and things will get sooner or later to a normal distribution of dozens. Pure mathematics.
I am happy of not thinking "But if I let this trigger past, I lose an opportunity to win". You have to live with that feeling, because that is happening constantly! Since I left the table I was playing before, the roulette may have turned 500 times...and I am here probably not using 100 triggers and ultimately not getting rich. Multiplied by all tables at that online casino and all casinos in the world... I am losing opportunities to win just with my mere existence :) :)  This stuff sounds obvious, I know, but you can hear/read similar thoughts constantly.
So, if your trigger is just that XYY and you have enough discipline to stay there, you are very lucky, in my opinion!!
I really think that exactly that kind of philosophy really fits this system: don't worry about letting this one pass because your gut is telling you to...it only takes 3 minutes for the next (much more nicer and cleaner) trigger to come. That is extremely unusual for a system, you normally need to wait for triggers for longer and, by the time they get, you anxiety to bet is too high to pass.

You on the other hand may have just tested with the original triggers of any X and two Y's in a sequence or used columns as well?


No, I didn't want to play on columns simultaneously and get confused. I just stayed with the dozens exclusively.

For testing, I used a 5 Euro for free that my casino was giving away this weekend... The perfect chance to split it in 20 cents-chips and test the system. I finished the two days (76 triggers, so I just played a few hours a day) with 21 Euro. A net win of 16 Euro, three times the original bank and that including some bad strikes - an extremely promising start 8)
I promise to continue testing an reach the 500 triggers, not the mere 100 that I made. But in order to include variations I first have to be able to dominate this single version with eyes closed  :)


So for example you see 3, 20, 20 and you think aha, we have a trigger to start betting first dozen. You would be disappointed as your 3 bets all lose. As I say, every time the number repeated to give you the trigger point, it failed. I therefore would strongly consider this to be an additional red flag. Pales in your far wider testing is this something you've noticed? It might have just been coincidence for me today after all.


As said before, I saw some examples of the same... Call it coincidence, karma, God or The Force, but the facts are the facts. Very difficult to catch bad luck strikes "coming out of nowhere". I know, I have to test much more times, please forgive me if I let my feelings scream because of this very nice weekend I made testing. But this is my experience for these two days and looks very much as yours or as Palestis'... Coincidence? I am not sure any more...
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #627 on: January 28, 2018, 09:46:42 PM »
Also can I just check Pales - lets take the following sequence:

30
5
4

Trigger to bet 3rd dozen

1
14
18

No wins, however there is now a trigger to start betting the first dozen. Do you run with that or do you leave it and begin afresh looking for a new trigger, as this one appeared while we were already engaged in a game?

I'm never sure whether to jump right back on the horse in this situation or just wait for some more spins before I carry on. Its maybe best to leave it and wait but of course you're disappointed you just lost 3 spins and want to try and win quickly so this needs a bit of discipline.

I let it pass, for sure. I am trying to stick at the moment at the system rules proposed and I find two reasons to pass on that:
- the second three turns (1, 14, 18) are still part of the "statistical wave" that you are analyzing. My goal is to use triggers as clear and isolated as possible, that tactic might add a lot of confusion.
- By separating the six turns in those two groups, it is overseen that you got the sequence 5-4-1 in between... Clear red flag, same dozen three times on a row.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #628 on: January 28, 2018, 11:09:33 PM »
Mister Eko, you have to remember that I am projecting using a strategy that should not ever fail, with my wagering plan. As I said though, my next step is to look at what I can do if I lose and I plan to look at this for every stage because you never know where it will occur - and if it doesn't then happy days.

The bankroll can grow fast with this. Day 1 I aim to turn my £100 BR into £200. On day 2 I intend to turn that into £400 by doubling my bet size. I'm going to need quite a few hours and spins but its realistic. Day 3 I'd hope to win a further £200. Day 4 a further £200 - not increasing yet so if I do reach a stop loss I am still in profit. Days 5 and 6 I aim for £300 each. By now my bet size will be 3 units a time. Now if this all goes to plan I have already gone from £100 to £1400! I keep gradually increasing and the BR keeps growing, until by day 13 I am in a position to lay the larger bets in the £15-20 a spin area - stop loss still leaves me over £1000 up but with a target of £1500-2000 and again the following day (probably visiting a couple of casinos) that is what puts me over 8000.

Maybe its ambitious but I would rather go for it over a short period than have to play every day trying to make £50-100. Go all out and if it works, I'll obviously re-invest some of that winnings to continue playing at larger stakes in future. If not then I lose £100, I can live with that
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #629 on: January 29, 2018, 12:40:48 AM »
I think you're right biturbo, best to just wait for a brand new trigger, even if the losing numbers form a trigger on columns (if you were playing both) as you say its about discipline and patience. Thats why im waiting a few weeks to when I know I've got the time to visit b&m casino daily. Another reason some days have a lower win goal is because I've factored in that I can only go in the evening so have less time. Where I have all day I've set a bigger goal as I can play more sessions. This is the sort of discipline needed and when I get there I know I must stick fully to the plan. I think by spending time on the plan and working out all the ifs, buts and maybes in advance it will be easier to stick to it. Why do all that work to then get side tracked by something else? Its work.  After 10 days maybe Im up £3500, but my goal is bigger, its a 14 day plan. That money isn't mine yet, thats how I'll view it. Only at the end of the game can I have anything. 

This is as much a personal test as it is a test of the system. If the system fails, so be it.Nothing new there. If I fail, I'll know I don't have what it takes to be a great roulette player. Im excited by it and am looking forward to the challenge. I've lost money playing systems that fail in the end and also thanks to a lack of discipline. Chasing losses, not sticking to the plan, etc. We've all been there. This system gives me the confidence to take the more mature approach and give it 100%. Im not prepared to keep losing money but im not prepared to walk away until I've given it a good go without the nonsense that normally costs me!

Worst result for me is hitting stop loss in one of the first few sessions and deeming the system a failure, but I dont think its likely.
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