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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2017, 02:11:07 AM »
Wow, great idea Rinad about adding inside numbers to reduce cost!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2017, 02:44:50 AM »


  thanks Reyth and playing inside bets can be done as well with outside bets on any systems. maybe Mr Talos does it also with his method in order to reduce high bets. I thinks creating "more opportunities" to win when coming up with a great system is adding value. like playing video poker, holding the 2 cards that gives you more outs.

I even like to play a dozen/ds combo, placing less units on the ds then on a dozen, even less on a quad,ect... sure you give up returns on your big dozen bet if none of the inside bets dont hit, but they sure act like "super heroes coming to your rescue" in time of desparate times. creating opportunity bets can be your "whistle when the titanic is sinking".
thanks for sharing all your hard work with every one. truly enjoy.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2017, 03:59:56 AM »
palestis it makes perfect sense now regarding the XX, thank you!

Your whole system is adaptable. I was playing entirely different at first and did quite well.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2017, 07:01:31 AM »
Hello everyone. I created an Excel Document to keep track of the Dozens for palestis's Single Dozen Strategy (Single Dozen Tracker), and it adds the units won or lost at the end. Feel free to use it. Just copy and paste roulette spins (or enter them manually) under the SPIN category. And the Dozen Category will automatically be displayed to the right of each number (LG, MG and HG). Under the W/L category, enter how much you won or lost from each bet, and it will automatically be totaled as you progress.

The Second Document (Game #1) is my first game playing this strategy, copying actual spins from a real casino. I do not know if I am playing this correctly, because I reached a 4th stage progression...TWICE! Ouch! I still ended up with a profit of 18 units, though.

I would appreciate it if palestis (or anyone else) can take a look at it and give me feedback. I wrote down all my decision each step of the way, to make it easier to follow what I did and why.

The asterisks (*) under the "Bet" column indicates which Dozen from the trigger I bet on.

Thanks for sharing this great Strategy, palestis.  And if anyone wants to improve the Excel document I created, feel free to do so. I am just learning Excel and did the best I could.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2017, 11:53:25 AM »
By coincidence, I also made a little tracker for Palestis' system. Actually it's more of a generic tracker for 2-1 bets, because I don't like to make software too system specific. It doesn't update the bankroll like Terminator's excel sheet but you can add wins and losses for Doz/Col by clicking the relevant buttons given separately under the respective marquees. Two csv files are generated (one for Doz and one for Col) so you can import the results into a spreadsheet after a session and inspect them.



 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2017, 12:49:03 PM »
Nice Tracker, Bayes. I wanted to add a "Column" to each number in my tracker also, (so we could know when they criss-crossed to place bets on 2 Splits), but my programming skills are not that good, and I could not figure out how to do that. I like how yours is able to tell us when a Dozen and Column intersect.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2017, 03:19:10 PM »
Terminator.
That was good work
I took the numbers you had in the EXCELL sheet and processed them manually (I used to be in the computer hardware business, but when it comes to programming I am dumb)
Though these numbers in the sample seem, (wherever they came from),  more like numbers from hell,  nevertheless I went ahead and processed them.
I found a case of 2 back to back losses, 1 case of 4 back to back losses and 1 case of 3 back to back losses.
When I test I ignore the red flags, so that I can test as many numbers as possible.
Then I go back and examine the situations where many back to back losses occurred and try to figure out what went wrong.
In the 2 back to back case it is obvious that it would've been avoided. You will see 6,3,6,6, Not only the 1st dozen was repeated 4 times in a row, it also involved 6,6,6 in 4 spins. You can't miss this red flag.
Then in the 4 back to back case, after the first trigger loss we see, 22,24,14,22, then further down we see 17,21,21,17,14. Again the 2nd dozen repeated, and the same numbers of the same dozen repeated. You can't miss such a weird sequence.
And in the case of the 3 back to back losses, again it is very obvious that something looks weird. 35,32,26,2,9,8,6. Again an obvious red flag that would avoid any betting.
I understand that some of the winning triggers came after the presence of the red flags and still won.
Where in actual play they would've been missed opportunities.
But I'd rather miss some winning opportunities than risk a devastating loss coming from repeated back to back losses.
I long term tests I found that by avoiding those red flags, you get solid results even if you inadvertently miss some winning opportunities.
I can't come up with an explanation, other the fact that you take advantage of the law of the 2/3rds,
by making sure you are almost always in a new cycle where most likely the law of the 2/3rds will always be active.
This law has been discussed in a post in the past, but the problem is it's difficult to pinpoint a specific cycle. 
Rather than trying to follow the cycle the roulette gives you, in this system you construct your own cycle. By avoiding and jumping and interrupting the roulette's flow.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2017, 04:51:11 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to check my game, palestis. I went through your analysis and learned a lot.

Our triggers in both our games did not line up, however. For example, if we look at your attached sheet, the very first 3 numbers (23,35,23) you have as a trigger. However, I avoided this trigger because the PREVIOUS betting round had a #23 in it.

But I ALSO avoided the trigger immediately BEFORE the "23,35,23" trigger, because THAT trigger (5,19,11) had the #19 from the previous betting sequence, which was "11,19,23."

To Clarify, if there is a betting sequence, and the next trigger repeats a number from the last betting sequence, we skip that trigger and go onto the next trigger. I understand that. But if that SECOND trigger also repeats a number from the last betting sequence, do we skip that trigger also? Or do we just skip the first trigger?

Anyway, I still learned a lot from your detailed analysis. Thank you so much for helping me out.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2017, 02:02:43 AM »
Oh I see.
 Somehow I missed a few numbers from the beginning of your sheet.  Accidentally I probably scrolled down a little
Actually a single number,  whether it was used as part of a previous trigger, or was a part of the betting sequence, is not much of a risk situation as long as all other conditions are fine.
It is the consecutive appearance of one dozen, or otherwise its heavy presence in the previous spins, preceding the trigger that causes most of the problems, leading to back to back losses.
When you encounter 3+ back to back losses, this situation is always the culprit.
But it is easily recognized and therefore avoided.
Many other  systems do not offer such obvious warning signals, until it's too late.

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2017, 03:25:37 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up, palestis. It makes playing your system much easier, and I get to make more frequent bets, without having to worry about looking at individual numbers. For some reason, I feel comfortable playing your system, whereas most other systems I've tried can be tense and stressful at times.

Thanks again for sharing!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2017, 03:30:19 AM »
Oh, and can anyone clarify what a "virtual lost trigger" means, as discussed in this thread? My understanding is that after a valid trigger, we DO NOT BET during the next betting sequence. We WAIT for a LOSS (without risking real money). THEN, after that loss, we DO bet for real after the next trigger.

Is this correct?
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2017, 02:15:00 PM »
Yes that's what it is.
If we have 15-21-4,  we are supposed to bet the 1st dozen.
But if we wait until something like 32,14,25 shows up, it's a loss. (but only virtual).
Then the very next time you see 4-10-22 for example, you bet the 2nd dozen with actual chips.
It takes a little time,  but the certainty increases. (recommended for high value chip bets).
A second type of virtual losses is within the same trigger.
If we see 15-21-4 we can wait to lose the first or two steps virtually, then bet 3 steps after that actually.
The 3 step progression becomes a 5 step progression, but only at the cost of 3 steps. because the first 2 steps were lost virtually.
Example. 15-21-4. Then 32-14-25-5. The 32 and 14 is a virtual loss. if we actually bet after that we hit the 5 with the second bet.
The virtual loss concept can be adapted to each player's individual playing style. It doesn't have to follow exact standards.  The more patience you are willing to endure, the more the certainty turns on your side. It's that simple.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2017, 08:41:26 PM »
Thank you, this seems like a valuable tool, especially if the progressions are getting high because of bad spins. It's a good way to wait for the bad streak to do less harm.

I really like the idea of the virtual losses in the SAME TRIGGER. Less waiting time. Smart!
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2017, 10:13:51 PM »
With all due respect Palestis,
The problem in waiting for a losing attack that you might miss many winning attacks in between. Sometimes the attacks you miss would produce more profits that the losses of the lost attack.
Roulette is so perfectly balanced at its heart that you can't trick it like that. All the benefit of an extreme event will be countered by the missed opportunities for wins.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2017, 03:23:40 AM »
Yes I am very well aware of the concept of "missed winning opportunities".
 And took it into account, before I opted for the virtual loss strategy as a must for every system.
It's not the ROULETTE ODDS that concerns me, it is my own odds of winning vs. losing as an individual in every betting attempt. .
The roulette is nothing more than a tool that stimulates and contests my own odds.
It's not really a matter of guessing the roulette's spins. It a matter of being aware of my own frequency of successful hits within a range of intended bets. And that frequency has been worked out and it is a known variable, after extensive and long term tests. Every player can find his own odds. depending on his system.
And that range depends on the system, or better the quantity of numbers involved in the betting.
And it can be computed with remarkably great accuracy. Long range testing is the way to do it.
Though winning opportunities are very welcome when they happen, however you have to be willing to take a much bigger risk going thru an extended progression with possible catastrophic consequences.
And the fact that  that most roulette players eventually lose, it is because they are trying to take advantage of every opportunity they can get their hands on.
Virtual losses bypass actual losses at the beginning of the betting range, leaving more certain winning opportunities in a much shorter betting range, and with a much lesser financial risk. 
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