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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #540 on: March 16, 2017, 05:34:01 PM »
Ya, same as last doesn't seem to work for DZ+DZ (or CL+CL).  My opposite of last does though. :D
 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #541 on: March 16, 2017, 06:20:20 PM »
Ya, same as last doesn't seem to work for DZ+DZ (or CL+CL).  My opposite of last does though. :D

Here's what I see.  He expands the numbers on bet 3 and 4. But "Targets" them.  So all four would be correct. 

But then I could be wrong.  It all depends on the initial unit outlay.

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #542 on: March 16, 2017, 06:52:58 PM »
Well as long as the bets total out at the numbers needed for the Core Progression we're fine. 

The bet selection ultimately doesn't matter; its just the progression and the total numbers bet that counts.

Now that we have a full 3 Level game on record, the same thing applies to our session ongoing; our selections need to match the features demonstrated by the Session Canon.  These features will automatically match the Core Principles contained in the Talos Canon.

The tricky thing about the Talos Canon is:

1) Talos is ESL speaker -- this gives him a unique advantage in being able to say things that appear one way but are really meant in another
2) Talos is one clever fellow -- this gives him the opportunity to use #1 to full advantage in "not describing-describing" his system to us

:shrug:

Btw, the reason I bring up the "tricky" aspect of the Talos Canon is because we have all taken routes based on misinterpretation of the precise meaning of the words; even some that are not actually pursuing his system.

I know that most people on this forum are ESL speakers and just to be clear, anyone that can speak more than one language is simply more intelligent (in at least accomplishment) than those that cannot. ;)
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #543 on: March 16, 2017, 11:45:18 PM »

Btw, the reason I bring up the "tricky" aspect of the Talos Canon is because we have all taken routes based on misinterpretation of the precise meaning of the words; even some that are not actually pursuing his system.

I know that most people on this forum are ESL speakers and just to be clear, anyone that can speak more than one language is simply more intelligent (in at least accomplishment) than those that cannot. ;)

Exactly you can interpret it any way you want. That the fun of the thread.

Posting the complete play in minutes.........
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #544 on: March 16, 2017, 11:47:56 PM »
LOL.
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #545 on: March 17, 2017, 12:12:39 AM »
Well here is the full play.  I add ***** between the new and old sections.

Here's the play by play for the first set of numbers:

18   no bet reference

23   18 numbers Loss
4     18 numbers Loss
24    24 numbers Loss
28   24 numbers Win

(Begin last four streets)
0   12 numbers Loss
15   9 numbers  Loss
30   12 numbers Loss
20   12 numbers Loss
30   12 numbers Win
15   12 numbers Win
00   12 numbers Loss
25   9 numbers  Loss
5   12 numbers Loss
30   12 numbers Loss
35   12 numbers Loss
15   12 numbers Loss
18   12 numbers Loss
32   12 numbers Loss
23    12 numbers Loss

Total is 258 numbers. Matches his total of 258 and three hits.

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15 9 number bet LOSS
34 9 number bet LOSS
11 9 number bet LOSS
35 9 number bet WIN
24 9 number bet LOSS
2  9 number bet LOSS
13 9 number bet LOSS
36 9 number bet LOSS
29 9 number bet LOSS
21 9 number bet LOSS

9 out of 10 drops the bet to 6

21 6 number bet WIN
2  6 number bet LOSS
24 6 number bet LOSS
9  6 number bet LOSS
8  6 number bet WIN
24 6 number bet LOSS
11 6 number bet LOSS
14 6 number bet LOSS
1  6 number bet LOSS
26 6 number bet LOSS
21 6 number bet LOSS
8  6 number bet LOSS
14 6 number bet LOSS
11 6 number bet LOSS
9  6 number bet LOSS

now he hits more problems, as he said he had three more hits, but he hit a brick wall of 10 loser in a row at the ends.  This results in what I have discovered as his emergency recovery.

Recovery for ten losses in a row.

11    9 number bet WIN (+1u straight up win)
1      9 number bet LOSS
5      9 number bet LOSS
17    9 number bet LOSS
10    9 number bet LOSS
16    18 number bet Win
11    18 number bet Win
22    18 number bet LOSS
33    18 number bet LOSS
33    18 number bet Win (+1u straight up win)

Notice that there are 33 chips missing from the total. He is using these for one of two bets. An extra chip on the last three streets or and extra chip on the last 3 straight up numbers.  I'd go with the extra on the straight up myself.

In this section.  He say "a few more hits," I believe he using the 9 number bet and after 4 out of 5 additional losses the 18 number bet as hedges for the straight up bets.

With the final win on 33 above he now goes back to his 6 number bet and reduces it to 4 numbers for the next section.

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16  (4 numbers) (no win)
27 (4 numbers) (no win)
00 (4 numbers) (no win)
34 (3 numbers) (no win)
20 (4 numbers) (no win)
9   (4 numbers) (no win)
36 (4 numbers) (no win)
22 (4 numbers) (no win)
5   (4 numbers) (no win)
32 (4 numbers) (no win)
36 (4 numbers) (win)
6 (4 numbers) (no win)
4 (4 numbers) (no win)
6 (4 numbers) (win)

Exposition at 162

3    (4 numbers) (no win)
10  (4 numbers) (no win)
23  (4 numbers) (no win)
14  (4 numbers) (no win)
19  (4 numbers) (no win)
35  (4 numbers) (no win)
6    (4 numbers) (no win)
13  (4 numbers) (no win)
35  (4 numbers) (win)
00  (4 numbers) (no win)
9    (3 numbers) (no win)
29  (4 numbers) (no win)
17  (4 numbers) (no win)
25  (4 numbers) (no win)
21  (4 numbers) (no win)
21  (4 numbers) (win)

Total is now 724 numbers.

Notice that when he starts recovery.  He is always removing roughly 1/3 of the numbers, except in the emergency recovery.  12 numbers to 9 numbers to 6 numbers to 4 numbers. Bets can stay small as the sample set gets smaller.

Thoughts?  The way I lay it out, bets can be kept very low and you can survive all the losses. 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #546 on: March 17, 2017, 12:27:13 AM »
@ Rouletteman,

Regardless if this is his approach, I like it.
We might end up eventually with something even better or in the nearest psychiatric institution! ;D
Afterall maybe dr Talos is the one who copies from our exposed methods and not us from him.
Yes, I've to admit it, his plan was ingenious, all he ever needed was to give us a slight push forward by ''cannon-balls'' and the situation begun rolling on auto-pilot...and here we are!

 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #547 on: March 17, 2017, 12:51:24 AM »
rouletteman, you did an awesome job with this. It looks pretty accurate to me, at least for the sample DrTalos kindly gave us.

This has to be the most intense thread I ever read. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this fascinating topic...DrTaos, Reyth,  jerome26b, rouletteman and everyone else.  It's amazing what people can accomplish when we work together. Even if this is not the HG, anything that helps us become better players is worth it.

I wish I could contribute to this specific thread, but many parts are hard for me to understand. But it is becoming clearer lately.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #548 on: March 17, 2017, 01:21:22 AM »
@RM: Creating this reply in real time so I don't lose anything.

Why do you jump from a 9 number bet, directly to a 6 number bet?  You can do Splits (8 number bet) in between couldn't you (because the payout is 17 instead of 11)?

After 3 wins in 12 spins (between both 9 and 6 numbers bet), did you consider moving the bet selection back UP to 8 or 9 numbers?

I must strenuously disagree with the 4 unit bet section; there is just no way to interpret him saying "I don't play less than a double street" with an entire section devoted to a corner.  Also remember that this is not old information, his statement concerning DS is new and recent; I think recent enough to conclude that it relates to his new modification?
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #549 on: March 17, 2017, 01:28:00 AM »
@RM: Creating this reply in real time so I don't lose anything.

Why do you jump from a number bet directly to a 6 number bet?  You can do Splits (8 number bet) in between couldn't you (because the payout is 17 instead of 11)?

After 3 wins in 12 spins (between both 9 and 6 numbers bet), did you consider moving the bet selection back UP to 8 or 9 numbers?

Thanks BlueAngle & Terminator

Reyth,

Give me the bet where is happens. After he emergency bet?

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #550 on: March 17, 2017, 04:18:55 AM »
Why do you jump from a 9 number bet, directly to a 6 number bet?  You can do Splits (8 number bet) in between couldn't you (because the payout is 17 instead of 11)?

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After 3 wins in 12 spins (between both 9 and 6 numbers bet), did you consider moving the bet selection back UP to 8 or 9 numbers?

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35 9 number bet WIN
24 9 number bet LOSS
2  9 number bet LOSS
13 9 number bet LOSS
36 9 number bet LOSS
29 9 number bet LOSS
21 9 number bet LOSS

9 out of 10 drops the bet to 6

21 6 number bet WIN
2  6 number bet LOSS
24 6 number bet LOSS
9  6 number bet LOSS
8  6 number bet WIN

We should always be looking to raise our bet selection after a win (if possible) imo.



I think our solution on the totals (instead of the Quads) is in the Splits which are for 8 numbers bet (which is divisible by 4)?
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #551 on: March 17, 2017, 05:38:08 AM »
is it strange that i don't understand what you guys are doin' ?

the only thing that i can make out of this is that you all play something like this:

1. you need a certain amount of numbers to be played at the end.
2. you play from the ouside to the inside.
this after needed wins in a total of spins.

i would like to help out in this matter, but then i need to undrstand what numbers you are playing and what betting scheme you are using step by step in a session.
like:

spin 01. we place 1 unit on the 3e dozen for 2 spins.
spin 02. same bet
spin 03. 24 numbers playes no win
etc etc.
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #552 on: March 17, 2017, 05:41:37 AM »
RM has pretty much taken the reins on this and so I will let him handle it but right now we are kind of in flux because we are trying to mold a new progression based on the Session Canon just revealed by Dr. Talos.
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #553 on: March 17, 2017, 06:41:17 AM »
jekhb76, I'm a little confused as well. If I had to guess, I would say "4 numbers" refers to 1 unit on a quad. "6 Numbers" refers to 2 Streets (or a Quad and Split combined). And "9 Numbers" refers to 3 Streets.

But like Reyth said, it is in flux right now, so maybe when they sort this out, we'll have a better understanding.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #554 on: March 17, 2017, 07:37:52 AM »
yea i fully understand that you guys are trying to get this thing to work and i also understand that when you are in a flow of thing you don't want to explain everything on detail everytime you have made some progress. but i don't have any clue what you guys are doin'!!! it's like back to school and learn to read all over again ;D :o  i think that many of us have given this thread up because of the above fact. but i have patience, and i hope that you find the time and the energy to solve the mystery or create a new system. and i truly hope by then everything will be explained in kindergarden roulette. ::) :D  spin 01. 1 chip on 1e dz for 5 spins. etc etc

 
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