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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #90 on: December 20, 2017, 10:27:38 AM »

The pilar system is a very beautiful system. Systems have all the same features. This system is a 24 number bet. DTOP is about 120 spins. This means that after 120 spins the system has a permanent loss. The first 120 spins is a short run event. Win and loss osculates very heavy. These fluctuations can be changed in the benefit of the player by a strategy. The stats of the short run show are very important. An excel program can give you all information in a very short while.
Here a picture of my Excel program for 1500 spins.The graph shows where short run change in long run.
These studies are important to judge systems.

 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #91 on: December 21, 2017, 11:03:43 AM »
Hi, any chance explaining the results?
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2017, 11:13:43 AM »
What do you want to explain. The sheet shows a full report of the pilar system for flat betting. The graphic of the profit show that after about 120 spins the system has a permanent loss. The loss increases to a loss of 2,7%
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #93 on: December 23, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »
Torvic - I would prefer a live dealer but I would also suggest you try my strategy which is to increase by 1 unit for a win even if in profit, up to level 5. Then reset if you won them all. Its not uncommon to win 5 or more spins in a row with this strategy. If you lose one, then you're still at a low enough level that recovery is highly probable before you reach level 20 (most of the time you recover in a few spins). When you do get that bad run of WLWLWLLLWLL or whatever, this is why you need the big bankroll - but you're covering 23 numbers and the vast majority of the voisins and orphs areas, so no unbiased wheel is going to continue hitting the Tier for too long. In my experience the bad runs come when the ball lands in the 'winning' areas of the wheel but hit the odd few numbers not covered (12, 4, 21, 31) and this happens around the same time you got a few spins hitting the Tier section. The large bankroll lets you hang in there though, and eventually I've always received a nice run of hits that at worst restores most of your money - this lets you keep playing for longer, and eventually the pillars WILL hit. I've had really long sessions where they haven't but the odds of those 4 numbers all going to sleep together for past 72 spins is extremely remote, and when they wake up and start clustering, its pay day!
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #94 on: December 24, 2017, 10:03:32 AM »
Thank you very much Sam, I read about your strategy a bit earlier, but I, wasn't sure about the details:
- when you do not get a full 5 wins streak, you carry on with the regular +1 u progression, right?
- and what do you do when you come across a LWWWWW type of streak? Do you reset each time you have 5 wins in a row, in any case?

Merry Christmas everyone!
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #95 on: December 24, 2017, 10:29:49 AM »
Sam play your strategy in the fun mode on a internet casino. Take a roulette where you can spin by your own.  Note every spin your bets and the payouts. Make a full report. You can take my Excel sheed as an example. Words, words and more words lee us very less. I predict that the result is the same as my results of simulations.
My advise, do not play your strategy with real money.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #96 on: December 24, 2017, 05:16:40 PM »
Well lately im not using this strategy because im using the dozens one Palestis has given us, that works really well and risks a smaller bankroll.  However I never lost a session using my strategy on this. I came close once and of course it could happen but I think very rarely so over time you would be up.

To answer your questions Torvic,  if im not in new high profit I always continue to plus one level up to 20. I only reset at level 5 if I've reached it already in a high profit. If I've been well down and recover to a point where im in profit but not a new high profit, I will reduce the level. So day I was 35 units up but the next run took me to 150 down, and I recov to being 15 up. Maybe I'm at level 13 now. Im not going to risk going to level 14 at this point but I do still want to get back to 36+ profit. So I'd reduce to about level 5 or 6 and continue.  These decisions need to really be at the player's discretion to make than hard and fast rules.

And yes if it's  LWWWWWW and im back in profit I would reset. Why keep moving up a level indefinitely when you know a loss will come? It's akin to martingale on wins  where you keep doubling up. I just think after 5 wins you are pushing your luck so best to return to level 1. You could also stop and wait for 1 or 2 virtual losses at this point if you wish.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2018, 01:38:07 AM »
Guys I have not been betting for money recently (the wife has told me to reign it in a bit ::) ) but I have continued to play this system in free mode and I cannot get it to lose. Today I made 150 units in about 15 minutes, probably under 50 spins (wasn't counting). Yesterday I made over 50 units by winning the first 5 spins (that's rare but if 50 was your target look how quickly you could cash out!) I carried on and after having to drawdown about 100 (plus the 50 I'd won) I ended up back in profit pretty soon and then got up 100 or so units.

I dunno, some people think this will lose but the run you would have to have would be a very long and sustained run of WLWLWLWL or similar, combined with all 4 pillar numbers going to sleep at the same time. When no system is the HG and guarantees 100% success, shouldn't we look more at ones like this that win so consistently? There seems to be very little interest in this system or equivalent ones like Kavouras.  :o
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2018, 02:32:14 AM »
Ok so using spin data as follows:

Remember we are covering corners 0,1,2,3; 19,20,22,23;,25,26,28,29; 32,33,35,36 with 1 unit on each. We also have 1 unit on the 7-8-9 street and of course 2 units on the 14,15,17, 18 corner (the four pillars). We will bet in units of 1 (£1, $1, etc) so I would recommend a bankroll of 1000 units to begin with.

First bet is 7 units

Number   Profit/loss
8   +5
Win, so increase to level 2, which is 14 units
2   +7
Now bet 21 units
36   +9
Now bet 28 units
24 - lose, so we are now at -19
Stay at 28 units again
10    -47 units
Stay, bet 28 units again
3 -  -39 units
Win, so increase to 35 unit bet
34     -74 units
10    -109 units
28  -99 units
Win, so increase to 42 units (level 6 now)
28    -87 units
Win, so increase to 49 units
10   -136 units
31   -185 units
3    -171 units
Win, so increase to 56 units
2     -155 units   
Win, so increase to 63 units (level 9)
34  - lose, now -218 units
2     win, -200 units
Win, so increase to 70 units
24    -270 units
29    -250 units
Win, so increase to 77 units
3      -228 units
Win, increase to 84 units
22     -204 units
Win, increase to 91 units (level 13)

17    Four Pillar Hit! We have 26 units on the 4 pillars, for a return of 208 units. We are now -87
Still not in profit so keep increasing, up to 98 units for next bet:

28    -59 units
Win, so increase to 105 units
29    -29 units
Win, increase to 112 units (level 16)
8  - we win this and as this is in our street bet we win 12x16 units = 192 units. This puts us into profit of 51 units. We had a very bad run and had to drawdown a fair bit (though nowhere near the full 1000 units we would have started with) our bankroll held steady for us until the inevitable run of hits arrived, and we only needed 1 pillar and 1 street in that run to get a nice profit. Even if we'd had a loss thrown in the mix, we would have recovered significantly and could then continue.

Anyway, after a bad run like this I would probably now change wheel or take a break. But lets say we continued, starting back at our 7 unit bet:

33 - win, +53 units
Increase to 14 unit bet
14 - Pillar win! +65 units
You might reset here but you could increase to 21 units, lets say we do:
26 - win, +71 units
Increase to 28 unit bet
23 - win, +79 units
I would do one last increase here (maybe) to 35 units:
32 - win, +89 units

So we rode our luck for 5 spins, increasing each time. I would now reset to the 7 unit bet:

26 - win, +91 units
Increase to 14 unit bet:
32 - win, +95 units

New high profit, so break, change wheel, quit and cash out or be risky and continue (which we will do here)

I think you have the idea of my betting pattern now so I will simply continue to provide the units I am on after each spin:

Increase to 21 unit bet
6 - loss, +74
16 - loss, +53
19 - win, +59
13 - loss, +31
21 - loss, +3
17 - Pillar win, +33
13 - loss, -2
24 - loss, -37
0 -   win, -27
20 - win, -15
9 -   street win, (now at level 7) +20
31 - lose, -36
24 - lose, -92
15 - pillar win, -20
30 - lose, -83
33 - win, -65
24 - lose, -135
7  -  street win,  -85
7  -  street win,  -30
33 - win, -6
28 - win, +20
35 - win, +48
23 - win, +78
28 - win, +110

We are now in new high profit after 55 spins total. Since we reset to our base bet, we have reached level 16 of the betting and having drawn down our previous high profit of 95 units plus another 135 units. So you could say we 'lost' 230 units before recovering. This kind of thing is quite normal, albeit what I consider a bad session as it takes longer and does make you begin to sweat a bit. But so far it has always recovered and into new profit with just a few good wins on the trot. We have made 110 units and only seen pillar numbers 4 times. The session could have been worse of course - we had 2 nice runs of hits and several street hits. But with a large bankroll you could sustain further damage before your good run comes (and it will as you are covering over half the numbers and some whole sections of the wheel). A really good session would include the 4 pillars appearing in clusters and with greater frequency than they should. It happens sometimes and when it does, you get your win target and bail out is my advice!

 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2018, 04:05:45 AM »
Thank you very much Sam for your assessment.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2018, 06:25:00 AM »
Good morning friends, i Have lost heavenly with this System, but after hundreds of sessions played i came to the conclusion that it was my personal vault after All. I used a much to Small bankroll. 500 units for this System is to Low and i saw the Gates of Hell with it. Now for the last 8 months i only play the single dozen System and i never lost ever since. I play it daily and Made a Nice and steady income with it Ever since. For me that awesome System by Palestis is as close as we ever got to a Holly grail and i Will continue to use it daily for my income.
But every now and then when i feel like playing something else in between, i play this also great System Made by Kav. But now instead of using a bankroll of 500 euro, i use a bankroll of 5000 euro and never lost ever since again with this System. I can use that kind of bankroll now thanks to the single dozen System winning. So thank you again guys for giving me the oppertunity to changes my live 100 %.
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2018, 02:34:37 PM »
The short and long run theory can tell you a lot about too long sessions. Read my warnings about 20 and more number bets.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2018, 11:53:51 PM »

Jekhb76, it's nice to read about a positive outcomes and I am truly happy for you. This is a big thumbs up to Kav, Palestis and Roulette30 in general. Keep your feet on the ground and happy spending or saving.
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2018, 12:56:33 AM »
Boy oh boy, I played in free mode doing 2 units per bet (so 14 units for level 1, 28 for level 2, etc) and as usual couldn't lose my bankroll (2000 units). The amount won was obscene. I kept playing after reaching new high profits and one time decided not to reset to level 1. Just trying to find a way to lose really so I know what to avoid doing.  But I just won more money. I made over 500 units in 20 minutes. That included a couple of runs drawing down and at 2 units a go we are talking hundreds - but the format doesn't change, in the end you get it back and profit greatly.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2018, 01:28:01 AM »
On the other hand, I have experienced all 4 pillar numbers missing for over 90 spins and the other numbers underperforming too.
Either your play mode is fake, or my casino is cheating or both results are perfectly possible due to variance.
 
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