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#### Dane

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##### PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« on: May 15, 2014, 04:05:38 PM »
As a new member I have just noticed your STRATEGY GUIDE OF THE PAROLI SYSTEM.
The problem with paroli: We never know when to stop. Like children playing double up or all lost.
Noone knows when the winning streak stops.
If we bet both RED AND EVEN (or BLACK AND ODD) and only double up after winning both at the same time, the situation has changed. Only eight of the 18 red numbers are Even. In 8 cases we double up. In 8 cases we lose both. But twenty numbers makes no difference (we lose here and win there). In the majority of all cases we´ll leave without losing  it all (even if we take zero into account). And we don´t have to think to much.

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 08:19:33 PM »
Hello Dane and welcome to the forum.
So you suggest to bet simultaneously two even chances with paroli.
The question is what we do after we hit one chance and lose the other. Bet the same, bet the minimum (starting over) or double for the winning chance and start over for the other chance?

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014, 09:58:07 AM »
Hello Dane and welcome to the forum.
So you suggest to bet simultaneously two even chances with paroli.
The question is what we do after we hit one chance and lose the other. Bet the same, bet the minimum (starting over) or double for the winning chance and start over for the other chance?

Thanks! After just one hit: Starting over!

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 06:01:14 PM »
I bet simultaneously two even chances with paroli - but not just any combination.
If I had selected RED & 1-18: NINE NUMBERS would make me double up.
Other NINE NUMBERS would mean losing both wagers
And EIGHTEEN NUMBERS would end the paroli with some chips left.

Had I selected RED & ODD
OR BLACK & EVEN: TEN NUMBERS would make me double up.
OTHER TEN NUMBERS would mean losing both bets.
And SIXTEEN NUMBERS would end the paroli with some chips left.

I HAVE CHOSEN RED & EVEN
OR BLACK & ODD: EIGHT NUMBERS make me double up.
OTHER EIGHT NUMBERS result in losing it all.
TWENTY NUMBERS end the paroli in a good way.

It is COMFORTING to know: In 20 out of 36 cases we´ll leave the paroli sequence with some chips left.
And then there is Zero.........

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##### Re: PAROLI
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 08:38:31 PM »
As a new member to the forum, I first want to thank Mr. Kavouras for this wonderful forum and website. Mr. Kavouras, you have inspired me to learn all I can about this wonderful game.  I also read the book " Thirteen against the Bank", which I thought was an absolutely wonderful story.

I am an avid fan of the Paroli and Reverse Labouchere systems.  I was thinking the other day about playing both of these methods on dozens and columns.  I am wondering how common is it for the same dozen or column to hit 5 or 6 times in a row? Mathematically, is it more feasible to play even number bets and take it to 9 or 10 times in a row, or playing a dozen and taking it 5 or 6 times in a row?

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2014, 07:12:53 AM »
As a new member to the forum, I first want to thank Mr. Kavouras for this wonderful forum and website. Mr. Kavouras, you have inspired me to learn all I can about this wonderful game.  I also read the book " Thirteen against the Bank", which I thought was an absolutely wonderful story.

I am an avid fan of the Paroli and Reverse Labouchere systems.  I was thinking the other day about playing both of these methods on dozens and columns.  I am wondering how common is it for the same dozen or column to hit 5 or 6 times in a row? Mathematically, is it more feasible to play even number bets and take it to 9 or 10 times in a row, or playing a dozen and taking it 5 or 6 times in a row?

(18/37)^10 = 0.0007424.
(12/37)^ 6  = 0.0011637.
According to this one chosen dozen six times in a row is slightly more likely than say RED 10 times in a row.
But there is more to consider: At many casinos the bets on even chances are not completely lost, when ZERO comes.
You may only lose half of your bets there. But if you have just doubled. it is no big deal.

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 07:44:03 PM »
Thank you Dane for your insight. It was very informative.  I was playing a little last night and tried the dozens versus the even numbers, and at my session last night, a dozen came up 5 times in a row, a column came up 6 times in a row, and few more times a dozen would hit 4 in a row consistently.  I live near and play in Las Vegas and I do play American roulette so I already know that I am at a disadvantage, but with that being said all of these events happened on an American wheel. I was coming up with a strategy that myself and two other players could do, and that is we each bet on a dozen playing the Paroli system. At some point one or two of us should hit a streak of 5 or 6 and then as soon as one player hits the table limit, stop playing. The other two players could cover the other two dozens and once one of them hits the limit, they could stop and walk out.  What are your thoughts?
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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 06:39:12 AM »
Thank you Dane for your insight. It was very informative.  I was playing a little last night and tried the dozens versus the even numbers, and at my session last night, a dozen came up 5 times in a row, a column came up 6 times in a row, and few more times a dozen would hit 4 in a row consistently.  I live near and play in Las Vegas and I do play American roulette so I already know that I am at a disadvantage, but with that being said all of these events happened on an American wheel. I was coming up with a strategy that myself and two other players could do, and that is we each bet on a dozen playing the Paroli system. At some point one or two of us should hit a streak of 5 or 6 and then as soon as one player hits the table limit, stop playing. The other two players could cover the other two dozens and once one of them hits the limit, they could stop and walk out.  What are your thoughts?
I myself live in a colder climate (Denmark) next to Germany. Many years ago I read a German roulette book. The author had an alternative definition of "paroli". Normally we just add the winnings to the original bet. On a dozen: 1 unit, 3 units, 9 units etc..
In the German book, however, the author claimed that "Paroli" could also mean doubling up there after winning. Anyway that too could be a kind of PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS. An interesting alternative!
Unfortunately dozen streaks of 5 of 6 - or even 4 - might not come tonight.

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 05:10:36 PM »
That is a very good alternative! I read that somewhere as well, only I saw it used as the Martingale system where the bet was 1, 3, 9, 27,81. A person would bet on 2 dozens or columns at a time. The upside is that you will have many more wins than losses playing 2 dozen, but it is twice as much money out on the table and if by some chance we lose 3 or 4 times in a row, it starts to add up quickly.  I think that is a very good suggestion you have and I think you are on to something. I am going to ponder that idea some more. One question I have is that if we play a Paroli system on 2 dozen, do we then split the winning in half to use just the casino money or do we use our own money and triple each row? Also would we use the follow the last 2 dozens to avoid the sleeping dozen?

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 01:25:48 AM »
As a new member to the forum, I first want to thank Mr. Kavouras for this wonderful forum and website. Mr. Kavouras, you have inspired me to learn all I can about this wonderful game.  I also read the book " Thirteen against the Bank", which I thought was an absolutely wonderful story.

Welcome to the forum Romn and thank you for your kind words and for participating in the discussion.

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 08:05:22 AM »
To Romn.Paras:
I remember an advice from the German book:
NICHT ÜBERPLASTERN!
We should not plaster the whole table with chips!
Every night we can witness people covering too many numbers.
Like shooting with a shotgun.
And every loss hits hard.
I myself would not recommend covering two dozen or two coulums.

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 09:06:50 PM »
I live near and play in Las Vegas and I do play American roulette so I already know that I am at a disadvantage, but with that being said all of these events happened on an American wheel.

A lot of players think of the American wheel as being of great disadvantage because of the 00.
However a closer look at the American Wheel will reveal some GREAT ADVANTAGES, the European wheel simply doesn't offer.
In the 1st pic. "group1.jpg" By placing four street bets on 1-2-3,   13-14-15,  22-23-2-4,  and 34-35-36, they cover a CONTIGUOUS SPAN of numbers from 22 to 1 (clockwise),  and 4 numbers across the wheel from 2 to 23. Without any GAPS between numbers.

In the 2nd pic. "group2.jpg",  by placing 4-5-6, 31-32-33, street bets and  16/19, 18/21 split bets, you cover a CONTIGUOUS numbers span from 4 to 19 and across the wheel from 5 to 32. with only 17 being out of span.

And in the 3rd pic. (midcolumn.jpg), by placing a bet in the CENTER COLUMN, you cover a CONTIGUOUS numbers span from 23 to 5 clockwise,  with only 0-7-9-28-30  being outside the span (because they don't belong in the mid-column). And by placing 2 street bets on 7-8-9, and 28-29-30 you cover those numbers as well (except the 0), plus a bonus of 8 and 29 being across the wheel.

It is a lot harder for the ball to miss CONTIGUOUS SPANS OF NUMBERS on the wheel, than numbers that alternate between red/black, O/E,
or any number combos that's not clustered together.
The single 0 European wheel does not offer this opportunity, where with minimum bets you can cover CONTIGUOUS NUMBER SPANS ON THE WHEEL.

And by placing a mid-column bet, and double streets 7-8-9-10-11-12  and 25-26-27-28-29-30 you will be amazed what a
CONTIGUOUS COVERAGE you will have on the wheel. ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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##### Re: PAROLI WITHOUT STRESS
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2014, 01:11:24 AM »
To Dane:

I agree with you.  I have seen many people as well put tons of chips on the table only to lose them in the first 20 minutes of play.  I once watched a gentleman lose \$5,000 dollars in 20 minutes betting his lucky numbers.  I really like your point of view on this and agree with you 100%

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##### American Wheel
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2014, 01:47:49 AM »
To Palestis:

I really enjoyed your analysis of the American wheel.  It was most impressive and I learned a lot from it.  I definitely agree with you about the contiguous numbers and that is a very effective way to play it.  I have played at times a 5 number neighbor bet and have done pretty well with it.  I read Mr. Kavouras' analysis of the neighbor bet and I modified it a little.  What I do when I feel like playing this bet is that I know that theoretically 1 of the 5 numbers will appear in about 8 spins on an American Wheel.  In actuality that is usually not the case, but it gives me a starting point. Sometimes it hits in 3 spins, other times 18 spins.   I start with 5 units on a number so the total bet is 25.  I let that bet go for 6 spins and then I start doubling the bet every 2 or 3 spins after that if the number has not come up yet depending on what I am feeling at the moment.  I realize that at the 8 spin we break even and anything after that is a loss if we keep the same denomination. I usually like to play 00 and its neighbors or 0 and its neighbors, because I think to some degree the croupier can hit sections of a wheel consistently, so I try to go after the house's advantage. Just my thought process.

Mr. Palestis,

I was also thinking of a strategy to play 2, 5 number neighbor bets at the same time.

For example, I would bet straight up on 00,27,1,10,13 and then I would bet 0,2,9,14,28.

I would start with minimal bets because you are covering 10 numbers.  Now would this mean that one of the 10 numbers would appear theoretically in 4 spins?  Also I would double the bet after every 3 spins, starting with 1 unit per number.  I realize the win isn't as much with 10 numbers being covered as 5, but I was just toying with this notion. What are your thoughts?

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##### Re: American Wheel
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 02:12:53 AM »
To Palestis:

Mr. Palestis,

I was also thinking of a strategy to play 2, 5 number neighbor bets at the same time.

For example, I would bet straight up on 00,27,1,10,13 and then I would bet 0,2,9,14,28.

I would start with minimal bets because you are covering 10 numbers.  Now would this mean that one of the 10 numbers would appear theoretically in 4 spins?  Also I would double the bet after every 3 spins, starting with 1 unit per number.  I realize the win isn't as much with 10 numbers being covered as 5, but I was just toying with this notion. What are your thoughts?

Yes neighbor bets are used in the European casinos extensively. In fact the table layout has a special space for those bets. You can actually have the dealer place those bets for you. Also there are neighbor calls premade that you can bet on. 1. VOISINS (17 CONTIGUOUS NUMBERS), 2. TIER (12 numbers) and ORPHANS (8 numbers). In American casinos you have to place neighbor bets yourself. In European casinos you give the dealer a nickel (\$25) and announce for example 00 and neighbors. Then he will put the chip in a special place on the betting table and if 10,27,00,1,13 comes then you get paid. But the minimums work differently in European casinos. A 5-euro minimum bet means 1 chip valued at 5 euros. So if you want to bet 00 and neighbors you have to pay 25 euros. And if you want to double the bets you can't use 1 euro chips. You have to increase the bets in multiples of 5. And it can get expensive. In America casinos \$5 minimum means you get to place 5 chips of \$1 minimum. Any increase can be in multiples of \$1 chips. Not \$5 chips. That way the progression doesn't go too high fast.
But in any case, aside the value of the chips, placing neighbor number bets doesn't guarantee that you will hit it. 2 number neighbor bets (10 numbers in total), might come within 2-3 spins or it might not come for 15 spins or even more. So you have to have a plan which number's neighbors to play.Like after a long absence or if they show up frequently in regular intervals. So you  need to develop a system which numbers and their neighbors to play, rather than betting them randomly, and hoping they will show up soon