My Challenge

[BlueAngel]

What I'm about to present you are 2 winning methods, both of them bet more than 90% from the bit more than 4,000 live spins of Dublin bet casino.
By the way, you may download this file from roulette30.com
Both of them are almost non stop betting methods, I've used 10 Euros as 1 unit and their progressions busted only once through the whole duration of the 4000+ spins.
Both of these methods begun with 200 Euros or 20 units, the first method never lost the initial capital and ends with 7,340 Euros, thus a net of 7,140 or 714 units (1 unit=10 Euros)



While the second lost the initial capital of 200 Euros (20 units) when the drawdown reached -740 Euros (-94 units) but in the end made an overall net profit of  6,885 Euros minus the initial 200 = 6,685 net (668.5 units, 1 unit=10 Euros)



My challenge is given the same amount of results/bets, could you achieve an overall better outcome??

These 2 methods among others are within my gambling arsenal, powerful but not the only ones...!

[random]

Nice looking graphics.

they look overall the same, with the huge drawdown in the middle. So please can you clarify what were the most units in a single location bet.
One other thing i noticed is that you wrote you lost the initial capital (almost five times) on the second method.
table limits?
Are you disclosing methods or is this just for teasing?

[mr j]

Table limits....another fun example while posting testing results. (rofl)

It seems that some members (not all) >> "f**k table limits (actual casino) during my testing, that means nothing".

Everything during testing needs to be EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY
the same as a real CASINO situation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken

[kav]

I hope this is not just for teasing.
RX graphs, balance screenshots etc. can be easily manipulated, reverse engineered or edited.
So in that case the answer to the challenge would be a big "Yes, my system is better than yours!"
And the thread will be deleted.

I'm sure that BA knows that and will soon tell us something interesting about his methods.

PS: I have seen photographs in front of a Lamborghini wearing a gold Rolex used as "proof" of the success of a system :-)  Now let's get serious.

[BlueAngel]

Nice looking graphics.

they look overall the same, with the huge drawdown in the middle. So please can you clarify what were the most units in a single location bet.
One other thing i noticed is that you wrote you lost the initial capital (almost five times) on the second method.
table limits?
Are you disclosing methods or is this just for teasing?

Regarding  your questions,  the progression has 111 bets for the second method and on the last bet,  which is the highest, 12 units are being placed on the felt.

In my case, 12 units are equivalent of 120 Euros.
Just to remind you that it starts with 20 units bankroll and reaches -74, yes this means that lost the initial 20 units but I consider the amount minimal.

[Reyth]

I can post spin results too:

So now let's try Dobble's short run theory and run 10 games of 92 wins, 23K profit for each session:
Game #1 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #2 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #3 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #4 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #5 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 5
Game #6 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 3*
Game #7 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #8 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #9 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 3*
Game #10 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2

This is simply betting a street using a modified D'Alembert, +1 on loss -10 on a win.  If one draws down 500 units the unit size is increased by 1.  A won session is 250 units profit.

Now let's try the very smallest session possible which is 1 win for 250 units profit each:
Game #1 1 win max level reached 5
Game #2 1 win max level reached 1
Game #3 1 win max level reached 2
Game #4 1 win max level reached 3
Game #5 1 win max level reached 2
Game #6 1 win max level reached 3
Game #7 1 win max level reached 1
Game #8 1 win max level reached 1
Game #9 1 win max level reached 1
Game #10 1 win max level reached 6

Now this is something that everyone would be able to do, grind 10 wins for 2500 profit for the session.

[dobbelsteen]

SAMPLE   PROFIT
1   1132
2   1127
3   1225
4   1064
5   1041
6   1061
7   1039
8   1155
9   1568
10   1086
11   1036
12   1233
13   1573
14   1057
15   1220
16   1183
17   1154
18   1362
19   1106
20   1273
I have done some research of a 2000 spins sample. This table shows the results of 20 samples.

The diagrams are of one sample.

[BlueAngel]

I can post spin results too:

So now let's try Dobble's short run theory and run 10 games of 92 wins, 23K profit for each session:
Game #1 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #2 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #3 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #4 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #5 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 5
Game #6 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 3*
Game #7 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #8 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2
Game #9 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 3*
Game #10 92 wins, 0 losses, max level reached 2

This is simply betting a street using a modified D'Alembert, +1 on loss -10 on a win.  If one draws down 500 units the unit size is increased by 1.  A won session is 250 units profit.

Now let's try the very smallest session possible which is 1 win for 250 units profit each:
Game #1 1 win max level reached 5
Game #2 1 win max level reached 1
Game #3 1 win max level reached 2
Game #4 1 win max level reached 3
Game #5 1 win max level reached 2
Game #6 1 win max level reached 3
Game #7 1 win max level reached 1
Game #8 1 win max level reached 1
Game #9 1 win max level reached 1
Game #10 1 win max level reached 6

Now this is something that everyone would be able to do, grind 10 wins for 2500 profit for the session.

How much units do you risk in total?
How much units do you aim to win in each session?

Do not speak about wins and profit because the unit value could be different from player to player.

[Reyth]

If you have a significant draw down in only 4000 trials, a much more significant drawdown is hiding underneath and could strike at any time.

When you ask me how much I risk, you are asking someone that has tested their system for many several millions of trials, so I TRULY DO know how much I am risking.

Seems we don't have an apples to apples comparison there.

Just wanted to make that clear before I even considered answering your questions.

But despite this, the system described will wipe the floor with your system and with less risk involved.

[BlueAngel]

If you have a significant draw down in only 4000 trials, a much more significant drawdown is hiding underneath and could strike at any time.

When you ask me how much I risk, you are asking someone that has tested their system for many several millions of trials, so I TRULY DO know how much I am risking.

Seems we don't have an apples to apples comparison there.

Just wanted to make that clear before I even considered answering your questions.

But despite this, the system described will wipe the floor with your system and with less risk involved.

I have never really appreciated the teenage like boasting behaviour.

I made 2 perfectly clear and simple questions and what was the response? Some empty and pointless claims!

It's pointless to continue the discussion under such conditions, sorry.

[Reyth]

Ok, have it your way.  I made a very simple and clear point you either accept it or you don't.  You have chosen not to.



Maybe you can understand this?

You haven't tested your system enough to properly claim how much you are risking.

[BlueAngel]

Ok, have it your way.  I made a very simple and clear point you either accept it or you don't.  You have chosen not to.

That's your interpretation.

[Reyth]

Ok, have it your way.  I made a very simple and clear point you either accept it or you don't.  You have chosen not to.

That's your interpretation.

It sure is and I stand by it.

[random]

Ok, have it your way.  I made a very simple and clear point you either accept it or you don't.  You have chosen not to.



Maybe you can understand this?

You haven't tested your system enough to properly claim how much you are risking.

Cool Hand Luke.
Later there was a famous Gun's N' Roses Song named Civil War that used this dialog as introduction. Amazing

[Reyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWaqtG9eRgA