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#### scepticus

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##### Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« on: June 28, 2016, 05:28:40 AM »
Hi
I don't do progressions so  won't be entering any discussion of any Method involving progressions – such as the one here that  kav kindly offered us. Instead I shall offer an idea for betting  E.C.s using  an  A/B “Chart” which I think will be of interest to “Progressioners “ . A suggested maximum  6 step Marty though, obviously , you can put your own “take “ on it.
Think of 4 spins of the wheel using an EC – say Red/Black. Ignoring the zero there are  16 outcomes – 2x2x2x2 =16.
8 of these start with Red and 8 with Black so if we use the terms A and B then we need only memorise or ” Chart “ 8 columns of 4 -( the 4 being the 4 spins.)  To these are added another 3 spins making a total of 7 spins.We use the first 4 as a  Trigger/Indicator/ Guide to what we bet next -
AAAAAAAA
AAAABBBB
AABBAABB
ABABABAB

AABBBBAA
ABABBABA
ABBABAAB
In the absence of zero there is a guarantee that one of those 8 columns will have at least 5 correct.  I suggest that you use the line where the first 4 are correct  because it will have  3 chances of having the “5 correct” whereas any other will have , at most ,2 chances.
Use  the first one as a    “ virtual bet “ and bet that one of the other 2 will be the opposite W/L of the first one.
Example.
Say that the first 4 were all BLACK then , on the chart , this is represented as AAAA so the next 3 indicated  - AAA are Black Black Black.
The first A is a virtual bet and if it is Red then we bet that either the Second orThird are the OPPOSITE  Win/Loss of the first result.This is not necessarily the opposite colour but is in this instance.
If it is BLACK then we bet that either the Second or Third is RED.

Actual 7 winning numbers
15
24
26
31
All Black and  so AAAA and so the next  indicated 3 are AAA- three BLACKS. The actual results were,
15
25
7
As the first bet is  15 and a Virtual Bet and  is Black we bet the Second to be the OPPOSITE i.e. Red. It won so we have won 1 unit.And so on..
I think you will find it  highly unlikely that you will need even 4 bets to find a winner and I would be greatly surprised if you needed 6 before a winner. That is from my  actual experience on live tables and I think it will be just as good on an RNG.
Obviously needs some thought but I think well worth the effort. Perhaps ( ! )  further discussion needed !
Regards
Scepticus.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2016, 05:30:31 AM by scepticus »

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 06:32:24 AM »
If somehow we could do this using double streets...

#### Sheridan44

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2016, 07:43:33 AM »
Impressive work Scep!  Thank You!

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2016, 12:38:07 PM »
hope it'll be good on RNG. have to check

#### Jesper

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2016, 06:33:06 PM »
Future will tell, I just not get it!

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2016, 07:31:51 PM »
Future will tell, I just not get it!

Those who don't understand that the A/B “ chart” is only a simplification to make it easier to remember.  8 lines are easier to memorise than 16. If you find the 8 column chart is hard to understand then I list the 16 below.

The 8 lines startng with Red are;
RRRRRRRR
RRBBBBRR
RRBRRBBB
RBRBRBBR

RRRBBRBB
RBBRBRBR
RBRRBBRB

The 8 lines starting with Black are
BBBBBBBB
BBRRRRBB
BBRBBRRR
BRBRBRRB

BBBRRBRR
BRRBRBRB
BRBBRRBR

The justification for using the first  of the 3 as a virtual bet is to  lower the variance. There is a 3 to 1 advantage in preferring the   chops to the 3 correct or 3 wrong though , individually, they all have equal probability.

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2016, 06:31:34 PM »
Hello scepticus--

Forgive me for being obtuse.  Can you elaborate how you bet this if not using a progressive system?
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#### scepticus

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2016, 01:20:58 AM »
Hell scepticus--

Forgive me for being obtuse.  Can you elaborate how you bet this if not using a progressive system?

It is actually quite simple   lone wolf.
The top four give all the possible sequences of Heads or Tails -ECs.
I use them as virtual bets and then use the one which has all four  correct and then bet all three that are DIRECTLY underneath those four as Flat Bets.
I sometimes bet as a progression but only as a two step progression. I am sure that you could work it out for yourself.
It doesn't allow for the zero but , as you know, there are No-Zero tables online.
Incidentally, I am not the original creator of this. I only apply it to roulette as it gives a guarantee of sorts. I like the idea of a guarantee as the basis of my bets .

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2016, 08:35:05 AM »
Hi Scepticus

I don't really understand your method and I get very confused on the whole line approach. Could you give me an example on how you would play this method?

Thank you.

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2016, 10:38:05 AM »
Hi scepticus

Would it be possible to cite the source of the original premise for this please?, as you said you were not the originator. Or perhaps give us an insight as to how you developed your take on the original idea?

Thanks

Mike

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2016, 01:43:14 PM »
These two ideas I have advocated members to use were devised by professional mathematicians employed by "football pools companies " in the UK around the 1940/50s.They were openly given by  those companies to punters to help them in their betting. The more money the punters  bet the higher the " commisssion" for the companies so it was in the companies interest to encourage betting.

Rourke
I have already given an illustration somewhere in the forum.
Basically, look at any of the 8 lines starting with either Red or Black. Take any result of 4 spins, say all 4 are black. Looking at the " table " you will notice that the first line contains 4 blacks. Directly below this line are 3 Blacks so you simply bet those any way you choose. You can simply bet all three in a succession of three spins or use them in any other way you fancy.
The reason that I advocate using the line with all the first four correct  is that if there is  a guarantee of 5 wins in a line somewhere in the 8 lines then the one with the first four correct has 3 chances of a win whereas all others have, at most, two chances.
Hope that clarifies it a bit though I am not the best at explaining things.

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 06:33:06 PM »
If somehow we could do this using double streets...

It is quite simple Reyth. List all the possible combinations of the 6 DS. You will get 20 groups of 3 DS.  Each group is the equivialent of one EC. Split the 20 groups into 10 pairs. eg.

123-456
124-356
125-346
126-345
134-256
135246
136-245
145-236
146-235
156-234

You now have 10 pairs of EC bets which can be used as A and B.

Regards, Harry

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2016, 12:38:44 AM »
Hell scepticus--

Forgive me for being obtuse.  Can you elaborate how you bet this if not using a progressive system?

It is actually quite simple   lone wolf.
The top four give all the possible sequences of Heads or Tails -ECs.
I use them as virtual bets and then use the one which has all four  correct and then bet all three that are DIRECTLY underneath those four as Flat Bets.
I sometimes bet as a progression but only as a two step progression. I am sure that you could work it out for yourself.
It doesn't allow for the zero but , as you know, there are No-Zero tables online.
Incidentally, I am not the original creator of this. I only apply it to roulette as it gives a guarantee of sorts. I like the idea of a guarantee as the basis of my bets .

Can you play out a few examples?

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#### lone wolf

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2016, 01:37:36 AM »
Hell scepticus--

Forgive me for being obtuse.  Can you elaborate how you bet this if not using a progressive system?

I like the idea of a guarantee as the basis of my bets .

Who doesn't?

So, has the guarantee made this method consistently profitable for you on a no zero game with real money?

Lone Wolf
I have two methods that I have made an  OVERALL profit when using them .
One is derived from the Nine Block and one from the 5 in 7.
I once challenged an AP member to go to his local casino where he and I would demonstrate our “ skills” in front of independent witnesses. Yes, I might have lost but was confident of showing a profit.He declined my offer. I wasn’t bluffing.
I think the 5 in 7 is the one most likely to be understood.
I have given the “ chart “ in an earlier post in this thread so with your expertise you should be able to understand it.
I don't play online (as yet) so my bets were made on either a live table or on the screens in a B@M casino with real money . With £1 chips on splits or £5 on ECs. I play conservatively and have a tight stop loss.
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#### scepticus

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##### Re: Guaranteed 5 correct in 7 spins.
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2016, 03:24:13 AM »
Mogul
Simply take any four winning numbers .Look  at their colour and then look at the chart and find the R/B sequence . When you find it you will see 3 R/Bs below that particular line . These are the 3 R/Bs that are INDICATED to bet. It is up to you HOW to bet them.
As any maths.geek will tell you the chance of all three losing- or winning- is 1 in 8 which gives scope for profit. Either Flat Bets or  a  mild -or aggressive - progression.
An example ?
Assume 10 winning numbers.
19
5
4
16
32
6
12
15
2
8

The first 4 we know because they are the last 4 winning numbers .19-5-4-16
Their colours are R-R-B-R so we look at the “ chart” to find the line with RRBR .This is the last line of th e8 beginning with R for Red .The 3 below that the four in that line are BRB so these are the 3 to be bet.
The next 3 winning numbers are 32-6-12 and so are RBR - the exact opposite to  the 3 we were betting so we have lost all 3 bets if we had chosen to bet all three !
Restart.
The last 4 winning numbers are now 16-32-6-12 and again These are RRBR which - again - require us  to bet BRB on the next 3 spins. The winning numbers this time are BBB so we win 1 unit   and our running total is Minus 2 units. That is if using flat bets. Using a progression you would have won.
Get  the idea now?
The reason I started with a loss is to show that NO method can guarantee a profit. There will be times when you win and times when you lose . It is what is called Gambling !
You can choose to bet all three or make the first a virtual bet .