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Title: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 12, 2018, 09:29:49 PM

Many will not like this system, because it use many numbers and a heavy negative progression? Still, i believe in it. Reason why i post it on this forum is that there are some people here, that are not on other forums, so any feedback would be appriciated.

it's a simple repeaters system, BR needed is 500-1000u (minimum) and (i recommend play with minium stakes). you play the progression until win or until BR is lost (or at your own set stoploss), first testings was done with random spins in RX. The main idea is to bet on semi-hotnumbers, numbers hit 1 time, hoping for a second hit  (the 8 last hit numbers in a progressive bet 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 numbers bet). When 8 numbers bet (and lost) you start the simple 8 numbers negative progression, (beginning with 2u).

progression 8 number = 2 2 3 4 5 6 8 10 13 17 22 28 36 46 59 76 98 126 162 208

my highest step so far, was  2 2 3 4 5 6 8 10 13 17 22 28 (36)

my math skill is not good, but that was keept within a 1000u BR.

This was really not meant for live tables, but if you can find a low-stake table with 1u (or less) bet,--i can't find any live-tables with lower minimal stakes than 5 SEK (5u) here in sweden i guess that same everywhere? idk...

i'd say, with a big enough BR, (1000u or more, played with 1u bets) i feel safe, and i think its a slim chance that BR would bust, ....we'll see?.... do more testings testings!

i play mostly for real now (BV no zero, with 0.05 stakes) beginning with 10 Euro no deposit, i had luck as hell, and now i've played myself upto +100 Euro, wingoal +350 Euro, before i can with withdraw!) it takes time but it's worth it. Thanks goes to my GF with infinite support,.. and also some old members of the forum that has been my inspiration playing repeaters systems.

I've tested this one, and played at roulette-simulator as you can see here (demonstration of gameplay);
https://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c (https://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c)

I'm also playing for real, at betvoyager (no zero)

Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 10:35:11 PM
Thanks man, keep up the good work.
And you know how i love good 'ol  repeater systems  ;)
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 10:48:16 PM
First Session Played with real money.
+113 Euro
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
session #2 online real money RNG!

+109 Euro
I must say i had a drawdown of more then 300 euro!!!!!! i won't play this very often, but a nice change of play.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 11:02:20 PM
If I were you you, play it with penny's on RNG for 100.00 euro you have 10.000 penny's. now you can make a nice progression line  ;D

Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 12, 2018, 11:28:19 PM
session #2 online real money RNG!

+109 Euro
I must say i had a drawdown of more then 300 euro!!!!!! i won't play this very often, but a nice change of play.

Yes,..congrats to your winnings,

..ofcourse drawdowns do happen,(how deep i don't know yet, as i said my higest step in progression was 36u...) what was yours? therefore playing with minimum stakes (1 or less) is recommended.(with a large BR)
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 11:36:26 PM
Mine was -€212 euro
Step 13 on the progression table.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 12, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
Mine was -€212 euro

Alright, but 13u in the progressionline is not a extreme drawdown, but ok if you say so..

also, i wonder, what casino you're playing at? can you recommend any honest RNG casinos? (i'd play with minimal stakes possible less than 1u...)
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
Second test play.

went to 46 on the progression ladder.
-1283 units drawback.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 12, 2018, 11:54:43 PM
I always play at Oranje Casino when i want to play online.

here's the link
https://www.oranjecasino.com/en?from=ypfw4hRVXfx-VS7ZapmgnmNd7ZgqdRLk-b2NfY3A%3D&affcode=oc_cp
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 12:01:30 AM
-1283 is ok, but only when played low stakes, just like you said, under the 1u. otherwise it is not playable for the normal person.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 12:02:57 AM
Second test play.

went to 46 on the progression ladder.
-1283 units drawback.

Yes, that was good, (an extreme event) now, let's say i play with minimal stakes at BV no zero, with a 200 Euro BR, That would be 200/0.05 = 4000. That means you could go so far as lose a 4000 units ....what would be the progressionline for that? still, i believe in this system played with minimal stakes.

i now have 100 Euro Real money on my betvoyager account, that would cover up 100/0.05= 2000u (i still wouldn't bust in your example!)  :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 12:03:33 AM
may i give you some friendly advice?

Please stay miles away from BetVoyager....... not very honest people to say the least.
I've been their road many times before, trust me, you don't want to take your money there. cash out your winnings very fast, and don't return. just advice.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 12:08:32 AM
No you are right, we need to set a good MM for this system, a good stop/loss and only a few play sessions a day.
Because the SFH is always on the lookout. Please understand, i like your system and i'm also a big fan of repeaters, we just need to test this for a few months and see where it goes.
If you and i can test this method for 3 times a day (morning/Afternoon and in the evening every day for one month.
then we may have collected enough data to say if this is playable or not, what do you say?
I will post my results everyday 3 times here in this subject, if you do the same, then we can see how it progresses.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 12:15:39 AM
No you are right, we need to set a good MM for this system, a good stop/loss and only a few play sessions a day.
Because the SFH is always on the lookout. Please understand, i like your system and i'm also a big fan of repeaters, we just need to test this for a few months and see where it goes.
If you and i can test this method for 3 times a day (morning/Afternoon and in the evening every day for one month.
then we may have collected enough data to say if this is playable or not, what do you say?
I will post my results everyday 3 times here in this subject, if you do the same, then we can see how it progresses.

Yes! that would be great, all testings i've done is published at Roulette-simulator https://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c (https://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c) (when im not playing at BV, but i shall follow your advice, i need to win 350 Euro before i can withdraw the money from BV..) I have also done testing with RX, but then i won 8/10 with a 500u stoploss/wingoal... i'd like to continue test & play this one!
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 08:18:10 AM
Good Morning,

DAY 1 - SESSION 1
+124
Biggest Drawdown was -15 Units.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 08:23:31 AM
I also did a quick 1000 spin test to see what the max sleeping cycle would be.

8 numbers sleeping for 34 spins happend 1 time  in 1000 spins.
8 numbers sleeping for 22 spins happend 1 time  in 1000 spins.
8 numbers sleeping for 21 spins happend 2 times in 1000 spins.

The rest of the 996 were all under the 20 spin cycle, 75% were under the 10 spin cycle !!!

So if we can come up with a 35 progression table using 0.01 bets, we'll be ok for now!

Ofcourse need more testing, but these were the first 1000 using actuals from spielbank wiesbaden.

Keep you updated my friend.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 09:05:35 AM

Can't we just play and raise 1 unit at a time and spin until we hit one of our numbers. and when in debt, we place some sort of devider after our hit, let's say our debt on a hit deviding it by 8 and play on from there.
Sure it will take much and much longer to be in profit, but I think that when playing it this way, we can play for a very, very long time, before we get in trouble. and with a bank 0f let's say €500 (50.000c) we won't run into trouble and we can overcome the biggest sleeping cycle. but again, just a thought. and a session can last for a long time if we play it this way, but because 75% of the hits come withing 10 spins of the time, i personaly think we will be in profit sooner then we think. Or we can step 8 places back on the table after a hit and play from there? And set a stop on 100 units profit and continue later on. What are your thought around this?

spin 01   1c    8    8c
spin 02   2c   16   24c
spin 03   3c   24   48c
spin 04   4c   32   80c
spin 05   5c   40  120c
spin 06   6c   48  168c
spin 07   7c   56  224c
spin 08   8c   64  288c
spin 09   9c   72  360c
spin 10  10c   80  440c
spin 11  11c   88  528c
spin 12  12c   96  624c
spin 13  13c  104  728c
spin 14  14c  112  840c
spin 15  15c  120  960c
spin 16  16c  128 1088c
spin 17  17c  136 1224c
spin 18  18c  144 1368c
spin 19  19c  152 1520c
spin 20  20c  160 1680c
spin 21  21c  168 1848c
spin 22  22c  176 2024c
spin 23  23c  184 2208c
spin 24  24c  192 2400c
spin 25  25c  200 2600c
spin 26  26c  208 2808c
spin 27  27c  216 3024c
spin 28  28c  224 3248c
spin 29  29c  232 3480c
spin 30  30c  240 3720c
spin 31  31c  248 3968c
spin 32  32c  256 4224c
spin 33  33c  264 4488c
spin 34  34c  272 4760c
spin 35  35c  280 5040c
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
I also did a quick 1000 spin test to see what the max sleeping cycle would be.

8 numbers sleeping for 34 spins happend 1 time  in 1000 spins.
8 numbers sleeping for 22 spins happend 1 time  in 1000 spins.
8 numbers sleeping for 21 spins happend 2 times in 1000 spins.

The rest of the 996 were all under the 20 spin cycle, 75% were under the 10 spin cycle !!!

So if we can come up with a 35 progression table using 0.01 bets, we'll be ok for now!

Ofcourse need more testing, but these were the first 1000 using actuals from spielbank wiesbaden.

Keep you updated my friend.

Alright, then a ladder-progression must be used. The best one i know is winkel's fibonacci-ladder for 8 numbers

2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 5 5 5 5 8 8 8 8 13 13 13 13 21 21 21 21 34 34 34 34 55 55 55 55 89 89 89 89 144 144 144 144 233 233 233 233 377 377 377 377 - That's 48 Step ladder (could be longer, but you get the main idea) Go 1 lower step back in the ladder when Hit, OR stay at the same level when hit, (depending how agressive you want to play), until reached a new high, then reset.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
First test-session with winkel's fibonacci... (no great drawdowns, this session)
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 01:25:00 PM
Nice idea man, and good results.
One question, since it's a sequence of for Same bets in the ladder, do we go one step Back on the ladder to a new sequence or do we literaly go 1 step Back? So if the ladder is 2222444433335555 and we are on step 8 wich is the last 4, do we go back to the third 4 or do we go back to step 2? Wich is also one step Back.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
hi :) if your go to 22223333 55 WIN at 5u, you either go back to 3, and begin anew at 3, or else you stay at the same level (begin anew at 5)

Now, playing for real at BV, highest step was 32u/number (played with 0.05u bets) with the ordinary 8 numbers negative progression
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Ok thanks.
Just a thought what if we pull down the exposure a bit and instead of betting on 8 Straight up numbers, why don't we bet 5 split bets? Then you Have 2 More numbers covers and 3 units less in play! Sure the sessions Will be longer before you Have reached your Target but it is alot safer to play and safer for the bank.
Don't know the exact numbers but 10 numbers May go Missing for Max 24 spins i guess. I don't care if my play session longer.....to reach my goal, but if it is safer then why not. You can call it the Five Train Wagon System!  ;D
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: ignatus on January 13, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
Ok thanks.
Just a thought what if we pull down the exposure a bit and instead of betting on 8 Straight up numbers, why don't we bet 5 split bets? Then you Have 2 More numbers covers and 3 units less in play! Sure the sessions Will be longer before you Have reached your Target but it is alot safer to play and safer for the bank.
Don't know the exact numbers but 10 numbers May go Missing for Max 24 spins i guess. I don't care if my play session longer.....to reach my goal, but if it is safer then why not. You can call it the Five Train Wagon System!  ;D

Yes, i've tried that already, (with good result) see "Hangman" https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=2019.0

but now im playing this one, and i will continue playing this one,
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 13, 2018, 07:30:10 PM
DAY 1 - SESSION 2
+113
Biggest Drawdown was again -15 Units.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 14, 2018, 03:21:28 PM
Hi,

Did another 2000 spin test today.

Now a total of 3000 spins test have been done and the max/ sleeping cycle still stand at 34 spins!

Eddy
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 14, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
DAY II
SESSION 1: +111 UNITS
SPINS       : 72
B.DRWB    : -56 UNITS.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 14, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
DAY II
SESSION 2: +119 UNITS
SPINS       : 225
B.DRWB    : -411 UNITS

Big test with 225 spins using Winkel's Fibonacci. 2 big drawdowns, but stayed at the same hit level 2 times and brought me back to life again. Step 13131313 was the furthers i got in the progression.
Title: Re: Catch The 8-Train 2
Post by: jekhb76 on January 20, 2018, 09:29:02 AM
Hi,
Didn't Have much Time to play last week, been very busy moving into another appartement. But i've tested another 22.000 spins, No for a Total of 25.000 spins tested and these are the results so far:

After 25.000 spins Total the Max. Number of spins Without a hit was (39) !!
This happend 1 Time only between spin 18.000 and 22.000.
The rest of the spins were All hits under spin 30.

Have a Nice day my friend.
How are you Holding up playing this System?