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Title: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: december on January 14, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
I always like to read what Palestis has to say...
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: kav on January 14, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
Me too. For corners too.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Jesper on January 14, 2017, 05:34:14 PM
As he explain we bet on every winning number or DS, and reduce only if 6 DS should be covered. I have tried that, and must say it is not very good unless we get many repeaters, and in a row. We can fill four or five DS and making hits which pays less than the stakes.

On straight ups i think it is much better.

Just try!

KAV!  For corners it is a problem to say if it is a  double hit if a number in the middle column hits, and it is hitted before in that corner, in the outer. It is not sure we can call it a double hit, as there are more than one way to say a number belongs to a specific corner.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 15, 2017, 03:29:30 AM
Not a bad idea at all. You should know that every once in a while double streets go into phases of repeats in a small swarm. Also, two double streets can be a hot dozen. You will see hot dozens streak several times in 200 spins. So, I would suggest being aware of these situations and side step them if you can. I like the fact that you have found a good way to just bet on 12.
DS's do go into frequent repeats, the problem is you never know in advance which ones will go ahead of the pack. By the time you notice it, it's usually too late.
However there is a way to take advantage of the very few DS's that will form longer streaks.
For every number spun you bet on its double street. ( you also dot the DS on a score card layout so you keep track of the bets). Then you bet the next number on its double street while rebeting all previous DS's. (YOU DON'T REMOVE ANY CHIPS FROM THE NEXT BETS- IT'S LIKE PRESSING REBET AND THEN ADDING THE NEW DS SPUN). When the same DS hits, you put another chip on it. You also bet all the other DS's that have spun. YOU DON'T REMOVE ANYTHING.
Eventually those DS's that hit more often, will pay with ever increasing chips. .
If you end up having to bet all 6 DS's, you remove equal amounts of chips from every DS until you have simplify them all.
As an example in the pictures, taking the numbers framed with blue marker (21 to 35), and dot them on a blank layout card, you will notice that DS's 25-30, 13-18, and to a lesser extend 31-36, are way ahead of the rest. Hitting them with an additional chip each time pays big.
You can either follow this procedure for the long run, or start from the beginning after you show a profit, (always simplifying when all 6 DSs have appeared). That way you take advantage of new streaks, when older streaks will eventually begin to disappear.
If you have too many chips accumulated on the DS's you can place a chip on O.
The same concept works on single streets.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 15, 2017, 04:05:45 AM
As he explain we bet on every winning number or DS, and reduce only if 6 DS should be covered. I have tried that, and must say it is not very good unless we get many repeaters, and in a row. We can fill four or five DS and making hits which pays less than the stakes.

On straight ups i think it is much better.

Just try!

KAV!  For corners it is a problem to say if it is a  double hit if a number in the middle column hits, and it is hitted before in that corner, in the outer. It is not sure we can call it a double hit, as there are more than one way to say a number belongs to a specific corner.
I didn't say I bet on every winning number or the DS the number belongs to. I only bet on the DS's, with the understanding that when some DS's  move ahead of the pack, you will be hitting them with more and more chips.
The only problem here is that you have to remember how many chips go on each active DS. Plus adding a chip on the last DS that won. So record keeping is very important.
You have to repeat all the bets on the DS's plus an additional chip on the DS that won last.
It's much easier on an air ball machine where you just hit rebet. On a live roulette you have to do it manually. I found that at some point you reach a profit, no matter how small it is.
Sometimes it happens fast, some other times it happens in a much longer run.
Whenever you reach a profit you restart. If all DS's are loaded you simplify as in the pictures.
That way you don't lose too much if the 0 hits. But if enough chips are on the DS's, a single chip on the 0 provides adequate insurance, and it doesn't affect the B/R in a significant  way.
If you have to do the same on QUADS (corners) you have to determine how would you use the corners. If 5 hit you can either use corner 1-5 or 2-6. So you don't have to worry about 4-7 or 5-8.
This system works on streets too.
I assume it would work on single numbers, but when you come to the point where you bet many numbers, it will be difficult to keep track how many chips you put on each number.
Easy on an air ball roulette, very difficult in a live. Then it's a question if you have the time to place all bets on all numbers before NMB. For example  you might have to put 5 chips on 32,  2 chips on 17,  4 chips on 1,  1 chip on 22  etc.  etc. With single numbers most likely you will lose control.
That is y DS's or streets are a more manageable option.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: scepticus on January 15, 2017, 04:30:57 PM
Does this mean , Pally, that you sometimes bet ALL six DS ?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 16, 2017, 02:15:47 AM
Does this mean , Pally, that you sometimes bet ALL six DS ?
No Scep.
As you simplify them, some of the DS's will not have any chips at all. You will never have to play all 6 DS's. You might have to play 5 of them, but you aim at the ones that have the most chips. Because they pay more.
If it ever came to all 6 DS's having for example 5 chips on them, (something that will be extremely rare), then you remove them all and don't bet at all.
Most likely some DS's will have many chips on them and some others will have lesser chips on them.
You remove  chips from the DS's that have few chips on them and at the same time you take out an equal amount of chips from the DS's that have many chips on them . Something like 10/20 reduced to 1/2.
In the picture you remove 2 chips from all DS's.
That leaves DS 7-12 and 19-24 with no chips to bet.
The rest of the DS's are being reduced by 2 chips each.
This system requires constant readjustment and therefore accurate record keeping while at play.
Most likely you will have a small profit long before things get complicated. Then you restart,  to take advantage of new streaks of DS's that will form.
If you want to take advantage of a trend, you have to follow it from the beginning.
If you wait to be formed first it might be too late, as trends change constantly.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: CortoMaltese on January 16, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
tried it with demo money i have to say the results were very good although i didn't fully understand the system so i have to "study" it and test it again before i put real money
Thanks palestis
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 16, 2017, 11:45:29 PM
tried it with demo money i have to say the results were very good although i didn't fully understand the system so i have to "study" it and test it again before i put real money
Thanks palestis
What exactly didn't u understand so I can make it simpler?
If 5 comes out , you bet 1 chip on DS 1-5
Next spin if 32 comes out you bet 1 chip on DS 31-36. ( YOU ALSO REPEAT THE 1 CHIP BET ON DS 1-5)
Next spin 22 comes out, so you bet 1 chip on DS 19-24. (Plus you repeat the 1-5 and 31-36).
Next spin 3 comes out. Now you bet 2 chips on DS 1-5,  1 chip  on 31-36 and 1 chip on 19-24.
You simply keep adding chips on every new DS that spins out, while repeating all the bets on the rest of the DS's that came out previously. Eventually some DS's will have many more chips than the rest of the DS's, which means you will be getting paid more and more.
Only if it came to using all 6 DS's, then you remove equal amount of chips from all DS's.
Because whether you have 10 chips or 1 chip on each of the 6 DS's,  the payout is the same.
But it makes a difference if 0 came out.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: CortoMaltese on January 17, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
tried it with demo money i have to say the results were very good although i didn't fully understand the system so i have to "study" it and test it again before i put real money
Thanks palestis
What exactly didn't u understand so I can make it simpler?
If 5 comes out , you bet 1 chip on DS 1-5
Next spin if 32 comes out you bet 1 chip on DS 31-36. ( YOU ALSO REPEAT THE 1 CHIP BET ON DS 1-5)
Next spin 22 comes out, so you bet 1 chip on DS 19-24. (Plus you repeat the 1-5 and 31-36).
Next spin 3 comes out. Now you bet 2 chips on DS 1-5,  1 chip  on 31-36 and 1 chip on 19-24.
You simply keep adding chips on every new DS that spins out, while repeating all the bets on the rest of the DS's that came out previously. Eventually some DS's will have many more chips than the rest of the DS's, which means you will be getting paid more and more.
Only if it came to using all 6 DS's, then you remove equal amount of chips from all DS's.
Because whether you have 10 chips or 1 chip on each of the 6 DS's,  the payout is the same.
But it makes a difference if 0 came out.
edit - thank you palestis understood it, when playing all 6 DS after any hit no matter which you get for example the 1-5 with 3 chips or the 31-36 with 1 chip you equally remove 1 chip from every DS am i correct?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: slpcorner on January 17, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
As I was trying this out, I removed however many chips it took to get all the chips off the DS with the smallest amount of chips - and removed that same amount from all the others (other than the one that just hit)....So that you now have less than 6 DS's in play. Depending on what happened previously you may end up with 5 DS's in play or less than that. This may be incorrect but that's the way I understood it.

Example:

1st = 5 chips
2nd = 7 chips
3rd = 2 chips
4th = Just Hit
5th = 2 chips
6th = 4 chips

So then I'd remove the lowest amount, which would be 2 chips from all DS's (except the one that just hit)

Giving me:

1st = 3 chips
2nd = 5 chips
3rd = 0 chips
4th = 1 chip
5th = 0 chips
6th = 2 chips
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 17, 2017, 11:50:28 PM
As I was trying this out, I removed however many chips it took to get all the chips off the DS with the smallest amount of chips - and removed that same amount from all the others (other than the one that just hit)....So that you now have less than 6 DS's in play. Depending on what happened previously you may end up with 5 DS's in play or less than that. This may be incorrect but that's the way I understood it.

Example:

1st = 5 chips
2nd = 7 chips
3rd = 2 chips
4th = Just Hit
5th = 2 chips
6th = 4 chips

So then I'd remove the lowest amount, which would be 2 chips from all DS's (except the one that just hit)

Giving me:

1st = 3 chips
2nd = 5 chips
3rd = 0 chips
4th = 1 chip
5th = 0 chips
6th = 2 chips
EXACTLY.
2 chips are the smallest amount of chips on DS's 3 and 5. By removing those chips you don't bet the 3rd and 5th DS's. At the same time it reduces the other 4 playable DS's by 2 chips. The net payout will be the same whether you removed the chips or not. But if the 0 hits, you will lose less if the chips are removed.
So you understood it correctly.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on January 17, 2017, 11:55:18 PM
tried it with demo money i have to say the results were very good although i didn't fully understand the system so i have to "study" it and test it again before i put real money
Thanks palestis
What exactly didn't u understand so I can make it simpler?
If 5 comes out , you bet 1 chip on DS 1-5
Next spin if 32 comes out you bet 1 chip on DS 31-36. ( YOU ALSO REPEAT THE 1 CHIP BET ON DS 1-5)
Next spin 22 comes out, so you bet 1 chip on DS 19-24. (Plus you repeat the 1-5 and 31-36).
Next spin 3 comes out. Now you bet 2 chips on DS 1-5,  1 chip  on 31-36 and 1 chip on 19-24.
You simply keep adding chips on every new DS that spins out, while repeating all the bets on the rest of the DS's that came out previously. Eventually some DS's will have many more chips than the rest of the DS's, which means you will be getting paid more and more.
Only if it came to using all 6 DS's, then you remove equal amount of chips from all DS's.
Because whether you have 10 chips or 1 chip on each of the 6 DS's,  the payout is the same.
But it makes a difference if 0 came out.
edit - thank you palestis understood it, when playing all 6 DS after any hit no matter which you get for example the 1-5 with 3 chips or the 31-36 with 1 chip you equally remove 1 chip from every DS am i correct?
Yes you are. You remove equal amount of chips from all DS's. In doing so some DS's will be with no chips, so in effect you don't bet them. You bet the rest of them with lesser chips.
See Sipcorner's post above.  It explains it very clearly.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: kav on January 19, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Great topic. Hope to be able to comment meaningfully soon
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 09, 2017, 11:41:57 PM
Palestis, this is a very interesting and simple system to understand. I've just read through it and will do some tests to see if it will be will an easy play in the casino with regard to record keeping.

What appeals to me is the positive progression (if you can call it that) on winning double streets and the fact that the game play automatically takes advantage of trends from the beginning. Also the fact that you start play from the second spin regardless of what trends are in motion.

Repeating double streets are fairly common and a string of two or three double streets more so. This is the basis of Hermes system on double streets.

From your testing and experience what bankroll in units would be advisable?

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on December 10, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
100 units should be more than enough.
It would take 21 units (1+2+3+4+5+6) if the rare event happens. That is if all 6 DS's  show up in succession. But that's very unlikely.

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 10, 2017, 01:23:58 AM
MMKAY!  I have studied DS's extensively and this should work like a charm!  Going to test this NAO in tournament mode because my mouse is not functioning reliably and can't play for realz until I get a new one. :'(

MMKAY!  Session 1 in the can and profitable!!! (100 units bankroll, +3 units, all-time high +187)

Alot of fun, fast profit and great ability to recover BUT I think I messed up a bit and so I quit once I got to overall profit at 200 spins (instead of new high) so I could keep it short for critical review to find out what I did wrong:

https://roulette-simulator.info/game/eec278b875a784c7646e2a27648819d5

I think Ignatus and especially Jesper will like this one! :D

Reminds me a bit of this system (https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=425.msg4725#msg4725).  I think the weakness modification (https://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=425.msg5312#msg5312) may work here too?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 10, 2017, 06:32:28 AM
Thanks Palestis,  I'll run it through my usual tests; online live spin data then virtual at the casino before I use cash.

I know your system testing is very strict and you wouldn't have released it if it didn't pass your tests. Is there an original thread where you posted this system?

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 10, 2017, 10:32:43 AM
The DS system is a 6 number bet. Do the test and I expect that the result is what I predict. Scarface has launched  a new 6 number bet system thread. Read my commend.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 10, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Palestis DS Trends plays up to six double street with what looks like a good wager strategy.
Two very different approaches. I'll be able to comment more on this after I've done some tests.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 11, 2017, 01:11:10 PM
Palestis, Reyth and other interested parties; I have completed a number of small tests. The biggest test I did was 38 numbers but with this test I forgot to deduct equal chips off all double streets. The result of the 38 spin test starting at 100 units ended with 241 units with a final layout of 29 chips.

By rights I shouldn't include the 38 spin test because it didn't conform to the rules.

I was sceptical about 100 units being enough to cover tough moments but from the few tests I've done, it's enough to keep stress at bay. If played correctly it does look like it will win every time. I'll do more tests at home just to familiarise myself a little more then ill do virtual tests at the casino tables.

My advice is to practise the approach at home in the same manner you would play in a casino until you are confident enough to attempt it at a busy casino table. Set a realistic win goal per session or game. Keep the win goal small in the beginning. Use a pocket size notebook to record your sessions.

This is a very nice strategy but does require a bit of work in recording results.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 11, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
I forgot to mention that every test I conducted ended in a plus.
First I wanted to win 10 units, then 20 units, then 50 units. I think with 100 units bankroll, 20 to 30 units is a realistic target. To get to this amount the wagers will not get out of hand.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 11, 2017, 03:01:32 PM
Palestis, in your tests have you lost more than 100 units from the onset of a game?

This is where the "test it till it breaks" comes in. Curiosity...
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on December 11, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
No I haven't lost all 100 units.
I usually quit when a I have a reasonable profit in a short time. I hate to lose after an easy profit, and then start recovering, only to get back where I started from.
Also it is important to quit as soon as you have a profit and start the process from the beginning.  You may have to forego some big wins if a certain DS in loaded, but you don't expose the B/R to heavy losses, even if they are temporary. Also you avoid a big loss if the 0 hits. (Though it's a good idea to have an insurance bet on the 0 if you have to bet a lot of chips).
As far as recording all you need is a score card, separating the DS's,  where you add a dot as a new DS comes out.
Then you know how many chips you have to place on each DS. Simplifying each DS to the minimum number of chips if all DS's are covered.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 11, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Thanks Palestis.
I started testing with small win goals and decided to push the envelope a bit to better understand the dynamics of the strategy. Must admit, there were a few times I thought I wouldn't be able to recover and as you said, it recovers well and wins. In my 38 spin test I went down to 89 and then climbed fast.
When I'm at the casino next, I'll test it virtually with "dot"  result recording.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 12, 2017, 02:26:52 PM
I tested this System alot and i must dat, it never failed up till now. Bit i must dat that for safety purposes it is best to start over whenevet a new High is reached. That is hoe i do it. And i set my stop löss at 20 Bucks per session playing with 1 dollar chips. 5 session a dat is 700 dollors profiteren a week and 2800 dollars Earnings a month. That's a month work Just for fun.

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 12, 2017, 03:23:02 PM
Thanks for the positive affirmation jekhb76. Starting over on a new high is sound advice. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 12, 2017, 03:30:12 PM
You're welcome. At First i Just Move along until i reached my session goal, but i had some very risky session. And since i stop at every new High, i never felt unconfartble again. It will take much longer to reached your session goal (better Small winning session Without stress) but it is much safer. And i use a 200 bankroll Just to be Safe and ensure that Every session is ends in profiteren, even when things don't turn out the way i planned. I've been playing this every now and then when i'm tired with my own System and it has never failed me.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 12, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
I would also like to add that when a Zero pops up i Just rebet. Nothing Will be added.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 12, 2017, 10:10:32 PM
So far I have added +1 to all selections when the zero hits. :)
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 12, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
That is also An option
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 13, 2017, 12:42:54 AM
The rule says to only increase the wager on a win.
If your total wager gets too big you can bet a chip on zero as insurance.

Jekhb76 plays until a new high then resets. A new high will mostly be reached while the total chips bet is still relatively small.

Reyth, will adding an extra chip on all play positions not over expose you to potential downswings? Sometimes zeros appear in packs.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 13, 2017, 01:04:36 AM
My reasoning behind raising is that we just took a loss and I haven't raised like we normally do -- this leaves a profit gap and so I fill it with a raise all around.

Any number can appear in packs and because the zero has appeared, the static chances of it appearing again are reduced and the chances of it appearing again increase with each new spin.

The chances of a single number repeating several times in close proximity is much lower than previously proven DS's that are hot or even just a group of DS's regardless of their history.

That's just how I think about it. :)
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 13, 2017, 07:14:21 AM
Is still remains roulette guys. Every number has equal changes to reappear as much as any other. If a Zero Comes, the changes that the Zero wil hit again is Just as High as any other number. Further More, when i reset after a new High i Let the Wheel spin virtualy so i Will optain a fresh ds to start playing. Just don't set your session goals to High. For me a session goal is reached when i Have 10% profit of my Total bankroll. So when you play with 1 dollar chips the bankroll is 100 dollar and the session End when 10 dollar profit is reached. Just An example on hoe i play this System. I usualy quit when i Have 3 Times won my session goals. Not one session lost so dat. And i play this System on rng. Just for fun, and it pays very good. So this System is also save for Low down sunday afternoons behind the pc or tablet. 😀
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 13, 2017, 08:25:36 AM
The way I see it, the entire board is more likely to hit than the last number, from a static probability perspective.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 13, 2017, 01:52:11 PM
Wow! Below is a sequence of numbers, "live spin data from the net". Please test the system on these numbers and share your results.
24
8
29
21
16
34
3
15
36
3
26
15
36
4
19
14
12
5
35
23
6
26
22
10
22
20
9
12
15
11
13
17
18
35
14
20
32
31
21
32
18
30
34
7
2
9
34
36
18
31
22
30
9
21
19
16
7
19
0
11
0
25
30
1
23
0
1
10
27
30
6
3
31
1
34
14.

Palestis, will you be able to test these numbers  and give advice based on the test results?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 13, 2017, 06:01:54 PM
:D nice

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 13, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
I tested the system with the numbers above but did not bet on the zero as advised.

This is a good example of zeros appearing in a group.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 13, 2017, 09:20:05 PM
Better to Always bet o a Zero for insurance. Lesser profit, but safer and when a Zero hits, your session is done with a big profit.

Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 13, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
The Zero would Have Made 108 dollar profit for you in the above example. You van also count the Zero as a ds on it's own.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 13, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
Ya I dunno when we are supposed to cover the 0 but I do it once I have 6 units on bet.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on December 13, 2017, 10:45:49 PM

Palestis, will you be able to test these numbers  and give advice based on the test results?
I will test it but it's not an easy job.
I have to check every number manually looking out for dots next to the DS's and the pluses and minuses as the numbers advance
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 13, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
I hope u will let us know about Harry... :(
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on December 13, 2017, 11:54:34 PM
We keep in touch daily via email. But we don't talk about systems anymore because other things are on his mind. I also get emails from his daughter in law when he is unable to write.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: palestis on December 14, 2017, 12:13:11 AM
@MickyP
I processed these numbers.
It wasn't the best situation as it is obvious from these numbers.
But by quitting and starting over after a minimum profit, it would still be a positive end result.
It took many numbers from 24 to 18 (the 18 that it is about the 40th number after 21-32) to show a positive result, which was +2 units.
In this case a +2 result is very welcome because the game had turned sour from the beginning and it kept eating up units. In this case a small positive result or even a small loss is welcome.
The 2nd positive result came from 30-31. 41st number to 49th number on your list. +6.
The 3rd positive result was from 22-19 (5 numbers with +8 outcome).
Then the rest of the session  would have a very small loss due to the 3   0's. But if you bet on the 0 after it appeared it would've been a great positive result.
If these numbers were the worst case scenario, then the system performed very well, despite the failure to set a trend on a few DS's
But I always simplified the DS's to their absolute minimum if I had to bet on all 6 DS's.
And always restart after a profit, no matter how small.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 14, 2017, 06:32:17 AM
Glad you're in touch with Harry.  :-X

Awesome analysis post!  Since my mouse is down, I am now testing this system exclusively.  Here is a recovery from another system that I was testing (I found it too unreliable but a good earner) and your system performed admirably:

https://roulette-simulator.info/game/075a91a991e7d46281436936d8e17bff

To see the recovery, just use the right arrow and fast foward to spin #534.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 14, 2017, 07:27:00 AM
Palestis, thank you for the time you put aside to test the numbers and for your feedback.
I agree, this was a tough series of numbers. Taking a small loss and starting over at times may save you at the end of the day. I'm still very optimistic to test the system at the casino and finally try with cash.

I'll include covering the zero when wagers begin to grow. Loosing a bit to insurance is better than loosing it all without insurance.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 14, 2017, 08:59:45 AM
I have found the zero coverage to really help alot!  Obviously, no need to raise anything when it hits and were covered. :D
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 14, 2017, 09:32:45 AM

I also think that covering the Zero would be a great advantage, but we need to See the Zero as a DS. so when we decrease the chips on every single DS when we must bet for a 6th DS (Max is 5 DS) we now bet on Max 4 DS!!! If we must bet for the 5th DS we now Lower our betting selection on every spot with the lowest chip value on board. I know that we can loose More to DS but that Will be covers once a Zero hits.
To begin we plat along Just like the Old System where we Max play 5 DS etc etc. But once a Zero hits we changes our plan and will be covering the Zero from now on and great it Just like An DS. And it is Proven that a Zero can come in packs. It is not a rare things to do.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 14, 2017, 09:44:36 AM
Doesn't the zero paying more offset the fact that we threw a chip on it (I mean to some degree, not overall)?

Excellent point about RAISING the zero!!

I have no idea how I should approach this, like when to raise it?

I wouldn't raise it because it can come in packs but instead because it needs to pay off the growing debt.

There is another factor in that if we raise it, we are lowering the payout of our DS's which are much more likely to hit anyway?

Here is a quick 80 units:

https://roulette-simulator.info/game/9a3fffd26a576a089927f9c34f60c7e6
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 14, 2017, 10:17:44 AM
One of the six numbers in a double street will appear more than the zero on its own. I think covering the zero when you have six or more chips on the table will be fine.

Because the majority of games are short (a game is from start to a new high) one could even cover the zero using a single chip to cover 0, 1, 2, and 3. If 1, 2 or 3 comes up when you are also covering the first DS then your wins will be greater.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 14, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Yes that's also possible. Covering the 0,1,2,3 as a single bet (ds) and the First ds (1,2,3) on it's own. Then we need to raise our Max Street ketting to six ds ??? If the ball lands on the First Double Street we earn More. So that Will cover the 6th Double Street. Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 14, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
A french corner bet included 0,1,2,3) ?
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 14, 2017, 11:51:53 AM
Let me clarify:
Start the game with normal rules.
When you get to the point where you are placing six units on the table to cover the double streets that have come up; you also place one unit covering 0, 1, 2 and 3 as an insurance bet. Increase the chip by one unit every six spins.
If the first double street ( 1, 2, 3 , 4, 5 and 6) is in play and the numbers 1, 2 or 3 hits then you have an added bonus.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 16, 2017, 12:51:29 AM
Just played a real money game with nickel units and had a drawdown where a 200 unit bankroll is too close for comfort.  I had over 100 units and was one bet away from going bust.  So the bankroll here is probably 300 minimum but it DID recover! :D

The great thing about this system is that the longer we play, the more accurate our selection tends to become because the truly hot DS's will not be diminished when we "reduce to the minimum". :)

It was one of these "long-term" hot DS's that paid me off to an all time high. ;)

We can consider this, "The Lazy Man's DS Tracker".  With a high enough bankroll, this thing might just grail out because so far, no recovery is too large! :)
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 18, 2017, 09:11:51 AM
I think that this System is great to play with 1,5,10 cent chips. Not for dollar/euro play.
If you play with Low value chips a bankroll of 50 dollar/euro is enough to play for a very Long Time, but for fun only because you won't pay your rent with the profits. :D
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 18, 2017, 09:27:23 AM
For dollar/euro chips a bankroll beteren 300 and 500 units is needed to play it save. And i also think that we need to take the Zero in play after More then 6 units on board No matter hoe many ds are in play Just like MickyP has stated. Also a possibility is Just like Reyth said, to raise All ds that are in play with 1 unit.
A lot of choises and a lot of fun.

If you Have the Patience you can build a Nice bankroll with this System in a few months Time, but like a said you need the patience and set your win goals Low.

Part 1 (1 cent bets) Target 100 units profit.
3 Times a day = 3 dollar a day profit.
Continue this until you Have Double your bankroll.
Etc.etc.etc.etc. everytime you Have reached a bankroll that is twice as big as your starting bankroll you Move 1 cent up on the betting Table.
When you Have reached the Point where you are playing with 10cent chips, you play for 30 dollar profit a day. 3 times 10 dollar. At this point you Have a bankroll of 500 units. From now on you can choose the betting amount, whatever you veel Safe with.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: MickyP on December 18, 2017, 09:49:40 AM
Jekhb76, I like the way you think about roulette. The idea of wealth building by means of small increases is very possible. I view winning in the same way. There is really no need to play until you bust.
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: jekhb76 on December 18, 2017, 11:33:25 PM
Indeed. Better Small now and live another new day at the roulette Table. I know a few People who got Rich by playing this way for years. But they got the balls and the patience. ;)
Title: Re: Palestis' DS trends
Post by: Reyth on December 19, 2017, 06:32:52 AM
I completely agree and use this methodology. :)