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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #150 on: June 30, 2015, 06:58:25 PM »
@Genie

The new question and options are already inserted. I wish it could be votable! ( :
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2015, 07:01:52 PM »
Wow I was able to vote.  Apparently it is counting your previous vote.  Ok I will fix this!

 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #152 on: June 30, 2015, 11:11:36 PM »
The Roulette wheel is just like a woman:
in the beginning its unpredictable, but after little observation and learning its "buttons" and learn how to push them right, we start to see how predictable it actually is. :)

ROULETTE WHEEL IS BEATABLE!
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P.S. I'm testing the spins from the American Wheel and finally starting to understand it. But it gets kinda boring..
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #153 on: July 06, 2015, 11:10:43 PM »
I just wanna weigh in here that I totally agree on the large bankroll vs. the relatively small target profit goal.  I can't seem to find a reliable way around this necessity although I have heard a way exists.

Recently I have felt kind of ashamed that I needed a 6000 unit bankroll to be secure in my system play.  I guess I shouldn't feel that way?
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #154 on: July 07, 2015, 02:29:33 AM »
I usually take just  enough for twenty bets .e.g. £2.5 on Even Chances I take £50. Usually I don't  need to use any more than 10 .On my last visit at  the week -end  I needed to use  no more than  six - and finished winning  8 . ( 8 x 2.5 = 20  )
( I was limbering up for my visit to Mike's place ! )
Possibly 10 would be enough but the trouble is that we cannot tell when a bad run is due .
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #155 on: July 07, 2015, 05:12:42 AM »
Ya I am terrible are money/risk management. : (
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #156 on: July 07, 2015, 01:09:08 PM »
I just wanna weigh in here that I totally agree on the large bankroll vs. the relatively small target profit goal.  I can't seem to find a reliable way around this necessity although I have heard a way exists.

Recently I have felt kind of ashamed that I needed a 6000 unit bankroll to be secure in my system play.  I guess I shouldn't feel that way?

You are finally learning something valuable Reyth. :)

In roulette there are two ways to win:
1) is the long, muddy, bloody, s***ty, sweaty "big-bankroll-small-guaranteed-win-every-session" way and
2) is the "hit strong and run" (as fast as possible) way.

If you choose the second way, you'll hope that in the long "short" run the amount of winnings will outnumber the amount of losses: better said if you find something which earns you 2T(otal)B(ankrolls)+1 unit before losing the initial T(otal)B(ankroll) continually, then you have created something worthy for using. Otherwise, its wiser to just go to the casino and GAMBLE. This way, sometime you'll be lucky enough to WIN BIG and buy a nice and super fast car and hope that you'll die in car crush before your next trip to the casino, because this is the only way to stop yourself from gambling away all your possessions. Yes, there are lots of guys across the world who became SUPER ARROGANT and SELF CONFIDENT after just one lucky night at the casino and then continued gambling and after losing all their money they start selling their jewelry, their car, house, get divorced and became homeless and useless bitter members of the society.

If you choose the first way, you'll enter the casino, wait for the trigger, play, activate the progressions, play a little more, win, leave the casino with your small winnings - session after session. In the beginning it might look fun but after few months you'll start looking for ways to grow your winnings per session. After lot of hours spent in research you will again and again get to the same results and conclusions:
if you want to grow your winnings, you'll have:
1) to use bigger bankroll for the current approach or
2) to add additional approaches/systems on your current approach/system (arsenal) and this way earning more per hour on avg (because when you'll be waiting for the trigger for one approach, the trigger for some of the others will be activated and you'll play on it etc)

If you get to that level, you'll realize that the winnings in casinos are kinda fixed and limited (because we must stick to the table minimum and maximum, to our bankrolls and total amount of units in bankroll, to the steps from the progressions, to the time which passes without ever coming back), and that you can earn much much more if you invest that same time and intelligence in something else ex. creating and building a company which can grow without limits and can serve your community, country, or even the WHOLE WORLD.

In one other thread (in "Gambling Addiction Stories" section), I've written that playing roulette for (constant) profits is something that especially the unemployed, the students and retired should learn and do.

@Reyth the day when you'll realize the same is the day when you've officially beaten the Roulette Wheel and when you are ready to move forward with your life, while in the way using everything that you've learned while learning this game (all the laws, all the lows and highs, all the calculations, all the progressions, all the headaches that you went through, all that coldness and emotionlessness you have acquired and with which you'll face all the good and bad situations that will follow further in your life, everything about the not so random randomness which can be found everywhere and in everything around us (your awareness will lift to the point when you will clearly see that everything on this planet and in this Universe is interconnected).

After all, making money from the wheel was never the real, true intention of any roulette player across the world: it was beating it, it was proving that THE PLAYER is SMARTER OR (if not smarter) SMART ENOUGH to outsmart the wheel, the dealer and the casino-over and over again. It is like a mountain peak that we see from afar and we long to reach it..we dream about it, we think about it, make plans how to make it..

And then a day comes when we finally arrive there.
Its a moment of pure bliss followed by deep, dark and silent emptiness..
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #157 on: July 07, 2015, 02:05:14 PM »
Consider it as looking for a needle in a haystack, Reyth. The needle is definitely there. You can start looking for it from any point on it's outer rim or from any point on the top .
If you look at what system players do you will find here the same - approaching from different directions. Mine is much simpler than most but -so what  if  our different approaches produce a profit ?
 

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« Reply #158 on: July 07, 2015, 02:36:44 PM »
Like I've already written in the "French vs American Wheel" thread:
I've come to some interesting conclusions from the testing of the 10K cons spins from BM casino.
You can read them there.

Here I'll write about the fact that AMERICAN WHEEL roulette IS HARDER TO BEAT but IT IS BEATABLE TOO. And I'll try to explain the way how I managed to beat the American wheel.

Like I've already explained in that thread, I've used 5 V(irtual)L(os)es and 50 steps progression. After busting the bankroll and reaching to the 68th step in the further testing, I realized that when this approach is concerned, I must use the second way (from the previous post) and apply the "hit strong, kill and run"(but do it from ambush!) mentality.

So what I've done with this approach?
I've twisted it a little. A little more actually. :)

First twist is that I've added +15 VLes to the former 5 and now we are waiting for 20 VLes.
Second twist is that I've cut 40 steps from the progression and now we start with only 10 steps progression, 12 units in total. This starting bankroll will be called "safety bankroll".

Why I've done this?
Because when we enter the casino and sit on the roulette table, we don't have a clue if the wheel is in:
a) destabilization phase or
b) equalization phase.

In case we are landing in the middle of a mine field ("destabilization" phase - like the one I've encountered in the testing: over 400 spins long), we will pass it with losing only 12 units(10 step progression:1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2), amount which can be easily earned back.

Ex. we enter the casino and sit on the table in the moment when "destabilization" phase is activated. We easily get our 20 VLes, and then we lose the 10 steps progression (12 units) and stop playing, just sit and observe. And when the 4 repeats on a dozen finally occur, the "destabilization" phase is over and "equalization" phase begins. In this phase we lower the number of VLes from 20 to 10 VLes and add +15 steps to the progression (25 steps:1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-7-8-9-10-11), total progression requires 94 units (this will be called "assassination bankroll"). Previous 12 units loss + 2 to 8(+) units profit will be achieved very easy in the spins that follow.

The lowering of the VLes from 20 to 10 and the adding of the steps from the progression is not accidental: 10 VLes + 25 steps progression = 35 steps which is exactly the limit from which the "destabilization" phase starts and in which the "equalization" phase works. Plus, in the "equalization" phase, most of the "4 repeats on a dozen in a row", occur somewhere between 10th and 30th step, thus with the twisting we cover these potential occurings and easily obtain the lost 12 units + make profit.

***Very important thing to mention here:***
The only way to recognize "destabilization" phase is the length of it:
it always passes 30 steps + 5 VLes = it gets over 35 steps. Everything below these numbers is not "destabilization" phase and before reaching and passing this destructive phase we must stick to the 20VLes + 10 steps progression (safety play).

Total Bankroll for this Hit2Kill approach required:
12 (safety bankroll) + 94 (assassination bankroll) = 106 units.

Profit per session:
It depends. It starts from +1 and can get to +8 or even more units.

Don't be greedy: quit the session on any win, no matter if you made it using the "safety bankroll" or the "assassination bankroll".
To be honest, most of the time you will make profits in the very beginning from the playing, with using only the "safety bankroll" and will never have to use the "assassination bankroll".

Give it a try and give me back your feedback and opinions.
=GNO=
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2015, 02:39:21 PM »
Consider it as looking for a needle in a haystack, Reyth. The needle is definitely there. You can start looking for it from any point on it's outer rim or from any point on the top .
If you look at what system players do you will find here the same - approaching from different directions. Mine is much simpler than most but -so what  if  our different approaches produce a profit ?

I've just read few of the posts where you challenge the experts to prove they are really APes and that AP is working for real. Did someone accept the challenge till now? And why not? :)
 

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« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2015, 04:30:45 PM »
Consider it as looking for a needle in a haystack, Reyth. The needle is definitely there. You can start looking for it from any point on it's outer rim or from any point on the top .
If you look at what system players do you will find here the same - approaching from different directions. Mine is much simpler than most but -so what  if  our different approaches produce a profit ?

I've just read few of the posts where you challenge the experts to prove they are really APes and that AP is working for real. Did someone accept the challenge till now? And why not? :)

I don't think so GNO.  Mike  avoids discussing a date where I can prove he  is wrong to claim that we cannot use virtual bets .I had looked forward to visit his local  casino where he  claims he can find a
 " flawed  wheel ". He is full of bluff and bluster - always turning a discussion to Method Betting and 
avoids giving us the opportunity to criticise HIS version of Advantage Play.
Frankly, I don't think he plays roulette at all . just indulges in his prejudiced view .
I shall be adding a post to my Roulette Strategies to clarify my Birthday Method . Not that it will  change the blinkered view of the APes .

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #161 on: July 07, 2015, 05:19:35 PM »
Thanks guys!

You know its interesting, we are all meeting the same roulette "beast" as seen through the window of our individual systems.

I have found the Harry J method the very best way to pacify that beast but even then, it is such a monster!

Its like 90% of the time we don't even see it & playing roulette is like blissful.  Then 9% of the time we have a struggle that is manageable.  Its that 1% of the time that everything goes bat shoes crazy that is the destroyer of men...

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2015, 06:07:19 PM »
OOPs  ! Just realised something  ! I won't be saying anything more about my Birthday Method !
I have taken down the page in my website  - but  not for the reason Slacker or mike gives ! Phew !
And my offer to meet his challenge still stands !
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #163 on: July 08, 2015, 01:21:36 AM »
Its like 90% of the time we don't even see it & playing roulette is like blissful.  Then 9% of the time we have a struggle that is manageable.  Its that 1% of the time that everything goes bat shoes crazy that is the destroyer of men...

The beast gets tired, sooner or later, and slowly everything starts to get back to normal. :)

If you've chosen the first way to tame it, you'll play with it till it is finally tired (the "destabilization" phase I was writing about) and surrender (enter the "equalization" phase). Its important to mention that the beast just surrenders, its not slayed. In the "equalization" phase, the beats recollect his strength and prepares for another fight (another "destabilization" phase).

If you've chosen the second way to tame it, you'll just quit playing when the things start to get ugly and out of control. You just remain silent and hidden till the beast is looking for you, and after a while it gets tired and lay down to rest. Then you leave your hiding place, perform surprise attack, steel something from the beast while doing the attack and run away. Sometimes these surprise attacks won't be successful and you'll lose a teeth or two. But most of the attacks will end up with you steeling something of value from the beast and in the long run the things you've stolen will outnumber the things you've lost while trying to perform the heist.

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2015, 01:23:27 AM »
And my offer to meet his challenge still stands !

It will remain that way for very, very long time.. probably forever! :)