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system of the mirror
« on: April 16, 2018, 10:02:22 AM »
Hi all.

The system is old and well known in Europe.
Play R/B, Manque/Passe, Pair/Unpair.
Wait for seven spins and then write down the figure of 7 that has formed.

Playing R/B, the formed figure could be for example: RBBBRBR

Then in the next seven spins you bet against the formation of the same figure of 7. Thus you bet that in the next seven spins a figure will form that is not exactly identical to the previous one. You have only 1 adverse figure in 128 figures of seven.

Well, of course the betting pattern entails a progression.
What's the best progression in this case, in order to reduce risk and gain the chip?
Martingale is the progression suggested in the original system. But it's really too violent. This system usually wins, but statistically looses more frequently than its mathematical probability. And with martingale this means... disaster.
So, for you, what progression could fit better?
Thank you for time. This is a great place to be.
Regards.
 
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 11:00:20 AM »
is there a specific reason why 7 and not 4-5-6-8-9-10 ? some studies proved it’s the most efficient ?
 

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 12:10:48 PM »
Yes.
Groups or figures of 7 perform the best from a mathematical point of view. This point has been verified long ago by serious bettors in Europe.
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 12:56:08 PM »
I play the system tracking pair/impair and manque/passe.
Thus after seven spins I may have for example:

                           PM - PP - IM - IM - IP - PP - IP

Then my first bet comes against PM (Pair/Manque) which is the first term of the figure of seven. Thus I bet Impair/Passe. I can bet both or just one of the two, as I wish. But keep tracking both.
If Impair comes, for example, I win and the play against this figure ends with a profit. If I loose, because Pair comes, then I look to the second term and bet against it: the second term is Pair again, so I bet Impair.

I can play only one group of seven at once, or two, or even three (adding Red/Black). More the groups, faster the game (but greater the risk).

Well, as I said this system works fine, because it provides lots of very fast "winning" sessions if your stop win is, let's say, +4, +5, + 6 per session. But when the "loosing" session comes, most of the progressions can't handle it.

So, I'd like to hear from you all what kind of financial strategy or progression fits the best with this system. If we can solve the problem, even only partially, we could have another powerful weapon to work with.

Sorry for my english  ;D
 
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 03:57:00 PM »


 Rimsky i think there is better ways to play even money bets, but that is my opinion.

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 05:26:04 PM »

 Rimsky i think there is better ways to play even money bets, but that is my opinion.

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Sputnik, ok. Can you elaborate a bit?
 

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 05:48:45 PM »


My opinion is that if you can not manage to flat betting - then you should use a strong staking plan.
For example on forum boards you will find some topics that has 5K views or 80 pages where members report succés using that particular method. Then you copy the details and try to get same succés that other has.
If you win and make same succés, then you know the members spook the truth and does who sad it can not be done was wrong.

There is several topics based upon that situation where members report succés and math geeks say it can not be done. There is several even money topics you can find.

Just browse a system section and skip all topics with small amount of views and read and build opinion on does with massiv views or many pages. Some will be endless debate about worthless discussion, but some topics will have members reporting real results winning real money, this should get your mind-set going.

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 06:21:50 PM »
Ok I see your point thank you.

However, I'd appreciate very much if someone would try to answer to the main question of this thread.
 

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 06:41:02 PM »
Just browse a system section and skip all topics with small amount of views and read and build opinion on does with massiv views or many pages. Some will be endless debate about worthless discussion, but some topics will have members reporting real results winning real money, this should get your mind-set going.

Sputnik,

The number of page views isn't a very reliable way of sorting the wheat from the chaff.  Threads with the most page views tend to be  started by members who make grand claims (the wilder the better, it seems) and/or are skilled at self-promotion (e.g. John Legend or Turbo). There is a kind of snowball effect and as the thread builds momentum, more and more hopefuls get on board and test the system. Some will win. They then report their success which further fuels the fire.

Obviously the more people that try a system the more winners there will be. Naturally there will be losers too, but they are more likely to just drift away and not report their losses, and even if they do, they are often ignored (by the way, this psychological phenomenon is exploited by the casinos; notice that when slot machines pay out they flash lights and make noise, but when you lose nothing happens. That way you tend to put more emphasis on your wins and forget about the losses). Forum culture doesn't help either, because nobody wants to hear whiners, "naysayers"  or "math geeks". In fact they are often attacked, further discouraging anyone from reporting losses.

So the illusion is complete. Here is a thread which has thousands of views, and in which many people report winning : it must be a great system!  Eventually, though, even the winners become disillusioned; the thread dies, and the cycle begins anew in another thread. If you look carefully at the forums you'll see this pattern repeated over and over.
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2018, 12:03:20 AM »
One thing you could try, get your 7 spins then look at spin 8 - if 1 of the 3 even chances or more repeat then that EC remains available for the next bet. You can now begin a series of 6 bets instead of 7. Or wait for one more spin. Perhaps high/low got ruled out and now odd/even was also different to the one in the previous set. That still leaves red/black. Now you only need to bet 5 times. Obviously if all 3 categories have changed you have to start again.
 
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 12:10:42 AM »
I also like to look for any even chance that hasn't repeated back to back for a while then when it hits once, bet it again. So if I had RBBBRBBRBBBB I would wait for red then bet it to hit again. If I lose I wait until I see red again then double up. As it's been a while already it's unlikely to continue on for much longer that the EC doesn't repeat. But by waiting each time to see it you don't lose out doubling on evert spin or if a freak run occurs.
 
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 12:38:36 AM »
Yes a series of EC's in the last 8+ spins is impossible to repeat one more time in the next 8 spins exactly as they appeared in the previous 8.
You bet on the premise that one opposite  EC's with break the pattern.
Hopefully early enough before the doubling progression goes too high.
 Most players( if the minimum is high) will abandon before they play the 5th 6th ,7th and 8th+spin that breaks the pattern. Too much risk for the reward.
However,  there is a solution, using virtual losses
You wait for the first 4 spins (or more if you have the patience), to repeat exactly as the previous spins, and then you actually bet  the rest of the spins where one of them will break the pattern.
Is it possible that every time you do that, the 8+ EC pattern will repeat exactly as the previous series?
I doubt it very much. It is extremely rare for long patterns to repeat exactly the same.
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 06:23:47 AM »
Yes a series of EC's in the last 8+ spins is impossible to repeat one more time in the next 8 spins exactly as they appeared in the previous 8.

Unfortunately it's very rare, but not impossible (at least playing online).

However, it's always best to avoid patterns like RRRRRRRR because a sequence of consecutive 14 or 15 EC is rare, but not so rare (especially when you bet AGAINST it  ::) ).

Virtual losses are a very useful tool, and I thank you very much for the emphasis you put on them every time, because even though they slow down the session on the other hand they statistically increase the win rate.
 
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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2018, 09:14:23 AM »
rimsky,

By how much does betting this way increase the win rate as compared with betting randomly or on just one side? Do you have the detailed stats?
 

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Re: system of the mirror
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2018, 10:25:57 AM »


 Rimsky do you play online or in real casino?

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