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Title: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 18, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
TABLE BANK
When Flat Betting we need to have a reasonable Bet Selection  method  and Strategy to   ensure that any loss can be recovered within a realistic  Betting Bank.
We should also be aware that playing roulette with real money is GAMBLING and so there  can be no guarantee of profit so should balance Risk and Reward.
I think that we Flat Bettors should  first set the Ground Rules for any proposed method proposed in this section .
I propose that ;
1 ) Any method put forward in this section should have been tested with real money in either a Bricks and Mortar Casino or an Online casino.
2 ) A Table Bank should have no more than a 20 times the amount staked on a spin.
e.g
The Table Bank of an Even-Chance system should be no more than 20 units.
The Table Bank of a method that bets 20 numbers on a spin should be 400 units.
To make it clear I think we should first set the Ground Rules. I invite any contributors to put forward THEIR views and ideas  on this.
ANYONE ?
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Reyth on March 18, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
Actually I am a huge fan of the Pivot/Parachute which is a flat betting system for 35 bets with only a 35 unit session bankroll required and over a 90% chance of hitting.
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: juice on March 18, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
Scept, I started a poll a few weeks ago on flat betting, under the Q AND A section of this site, it gained very little attention, although I know you responded, thank you for that! Would it be appropriate that Kav move it to this topic?
Also, can we include a parlay in the ground rules? As long as it only consists of the initial base unit?  Thanks for your consideration .    Juice
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 18, 2017, 08:38:07 PM

A parlay is fine by me Juice as it is a 1 unit bet .No matter it's length  !
About moving it .
1 ) Dane asked for a specific FLAT BETTING section.
2 ) Putting it in the Q and A section leaves it open to derailing posts from AP and Progression  Players.
Let them keep to their sections and us to ours and meaningful discussion might accrue.
Well we gamblers live in Hope don't we ?
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Reyth on March 18, 2017, 08:41:01 PM
Its very funny because at the very deepest analysis of Hope, we find that it is actions that we perform to achieve what we hope for and I am just about to make a post about this regarding human interaction and the game of roulette! :D
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 18, 2017, 08:45:33 PM

Reyth
It will depend on other Flat Bettors  what the maximum table bank should be. It depends, I suppose, on the others' views. I think the lower the table bankroll the easier the recovery. A 90% probability of winning is still a 10% chance of loss. And I don't like losing !
Thanks for trying to drum up interest.
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 18, 2017, 08:49:00 PM

Reyth
Matters unrelated to Flat Betting here are unwanted.
In short KEEP OUT !!
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: juice on March 18, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Scept I meant him to move mine to here, not here to there, but screw it, you are right! Try to deter anything not to do with a flat method! And yes we do, hope is all we have....lol
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Reyth on March 18, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
I guess its something along the lines of: "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it".

I will say that in order to develop flat betting skills, a person would have to work with flat betting a great deal and that requires a special form of patience, I think.
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 18, 2017, 09:14:50 PM

Not really Reyth
It is a case of discussing Flat Betting and Flat Betting only. Any critical comment is acceptable to me PROVIDED  it is to the point and not criticism for criticism's sake as has happened in all too many other threads. And YES I have been guilty of that  . I hope this section will be noted for meaningful  discussion.
( Assuming it gets off the ground  !!    Hope springs eternal  ! } 
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Jesper on March 19, 2017, 06:32:44 AM
I do not consider parachute or parlay is flat betting. Parlay is a progression, as the method of increase the risk and keep the betsize the same.

The casino can restrict the betsize, but hardly the bankroll.
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Reyth on March 19, 2017, 06:38:35 AM
Wow that is pretty amazing that you consider the parachute a "raise"; although I have heard people calling it "an increase in risk" but I consider it a decrease in risk (probability, not monies bet) due to the odds of series.
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Jesper on March 19, 2017, 01:09:34 PM
We increase the risk of hitting, but win more if it does hit.   If we increase the betsize we increase the potential loss but win more on a hit.

Many methods are flexible, not pure progression or same bet.  If any went to a casino and bet 1 dollar for 35 times or a win, the surrounding will think it is flat betting. If that player not win and come back next day and start bet 2 dollars for 18 spins, the surrounding see a flatbettor, but is it?

Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 19, 2017, 01:34:36 PM

Sorry, Juice, I misunderstood you.
Why don't you post your initial post and we can start afresh. Some new members have joined since that  post.
Reyth can be second if he posts his 35 number method. I have no wish to run the show- just have an input .
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 19, 2017, 01:41:14 PM

Jesper
A parlay can be considered a progression .I think it can also be considered a Flat bet because , if lost.it loses only 1 unit whereas most other forms of progressions can lose much more.
A matter of opinion and if we decide it  is a Flat Bet in this Section then that is OUR decision = not yours.
As aa matter of interest . Do you intend to participate in this discussion or are you here merely to criticise  ?
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Jesper on March 19, 2017, 01:54:47 PM
I expressed my option only, I  can stay away from your posting if you have problem with it!
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 19, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
If your intention is merely to criticise then Yes , I have a problem with it, I am trying to have this section dealing ONLY with  Flat Bets  and not have it disrupted with the usual unhelpful interventions. Perhaps, though, Hope succumbs to Reality and we cannot keep timewasters out .
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: Dane on March 20, 2017, 07:36:47 AM
TIME is      still
     important!

 I am glad that you reacted promtly
 and followed my advice to initiate this board in a good way.

 MASSE
 Ă‰GALE. Say flat bet! Never ever more than one chip anywhere! Thanks!

Of course I read your first guide lines. You suggest that a method must be tried "in the real world".
But as an old fashioned player with pen, paper, and PERMANENZEN (from Spielbank Wiesbaden) I
think that testing at home might be just as interesting and valuable.
And remember: Such  permanences are available for anyone to double check.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: Ground Rules
Post by: scepticus on March 20, 2017, 03:00:01 PM

I am off on holiday shortly Dane so this is just a quick answer.
I am not INSISTING  on a Real trial, just trying to establish some ground rules.
My view is that a method posted here should have first have been tested " for real" because of the FACT that all too many ideas in other threads have been "proved " in theory before " crashing and burning " when tried for real.
Well, O.K. theories are acceptable to me PROVIDED it states that it has  NOT  been tried in practice . It's basic idea may lead to a much better idea.
See you later Alligator  !