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#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #360 on: August 19, 2017, 09:11:51 AM »
Please write a note paper of about 50 random numbers. Describe your bets and record your input and payouts. It is childish simple. Here an example.

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##### Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #361 on: August 19, 2017, 02:27:56 PM »

Dobbel
Labeling 123 as -1
12-4 as -2
1-34 as-3 and
234 as 4
and using Block 1
Using your given 30 numbers the wins of the individual groups are:
1=7 wins =Profit of  7 chips
2=2 wins - Loss of 10 chips
3=1 win = Loss of 19 chips
4=3 wins - Loss of 1 chip
0 = 1 “win “ Loss of 2 chips.
I think you will agree that this is too small a sample to be considered representative.
Looking at any of the 9 Blocks you will find it childishly simple to work out  how to arrive at the 123-124-134 and 234.

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« Reply #362 on: August 19, 2017, 03:03:21 PM »
The roulette produce only numbers.
The numbers can convert into dozens. The note sheet has a random row. The only thing you have to do is filling in the sheet one by one line and at the end we see the result of this small event.

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##### Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #363 on: August 19, 2017, 04:23:08 PM »

Dobbel
You need to think more deeply.

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« Reply #364 on: August 19, 2017, 08:47:10 PM »
Scepticus when you are not able to fill in a simple note sheet of your method, I doubt the value of your method. I have no idea how I can play your 9 block system. I am not the only one on this forum.

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« Reply #365 on: August 19, 2017, 09:00:16 PM »
You don't   understand  the Nine Block yet claim to prove it is false !

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#### dobbelsteen

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« Reply #366 on: August 20, 2017, 09:04:56 AM »
Scepticus I have much respect for you. You do very well. I do not understand your 9 block theory. I want to research your method. I never attack my opponents personally . I research systems and methods and afterwards I give my judgement of the system.

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« Reply #367 on: August 20, 2017, 12:14:09 PM »

You don't   understand  the Nine Block yet claim to prove it is false !

WOW !
What a" personal attack" is is  down to the Admin.
Selectivity ?

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« Reply #368 on: August 20, 2017, 12:29:58 PM »

Dobbelsteen
You fail to understand that I am dealing with Doubles /Parlay. Both selections must win .If the first loses then the second loses as well because it .  Your sample list should  , therefore.  have shown the spins as being paired,
You may recall that I had previously asked if someone could programme it . No one could .As you never offered
I took it that you could not. Now you say you can - without providing proof.
No one  explained this to me so I am puzzled as to how other members cannot work it out for themselves ,
btw
kav says that I demean you. I only " attack" those who attack me . I considered  it an attack when you said that my system failed without providing proof .Also when you told me that making a dem. was SIMPLE !
As for YouTube . Pictures were what humans used before they learned  how to speak  !

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« Reply #369 on: August 20, 2017, 01:19:20 PM »

As I had claimed there are only four possibilities in four spins of the wheel  when considered as Trebles (threesomes ).
As I have shown with dobblesteen’s numbers there were only  four . Those I labelled as  1-2-3-4 . If, as I suspect , the wheel gives a Random number then each of them should have an equal chance. As 2 ,3 and 4  have a payout of 7/2 then it is clear that the player has an edge  when betting them- even allowing for zero.
I used Block 1 . This is
111222333
123123123
231312123
231123312
Dobbel.s first two dozens were 1 and 2. His 3rd (31 )was  in the 3rd dozen which I  bet to lose because it was the next one in the line beginning 1 -2 ( the second line in the block ) As the first in my Double lost the other one in that pair obviously fails as well so I don’t bet it.
The “trigger “ now is 3and 2 as they are the last 2 winning numbers. Looking  at the line in the block  which has it’s first two numbers as 3  and 2 we find that the two indicated numbers are 2  and 1 .The first of the pair is 2 which we bet to lose. It loses  (6 )so we now have 3 chips which we put on the group we chose. If we chose 234 we would have won because the first number is 6 and is  in the first dozen which has 2 as the other of the pair. Consider 234 here as - (3 ) 212 or x212 .
Members need only use the same procedure for any other given 2 numbers. Yes. You will have to think  about it -   and practice it-  to understand it  properly -but if you don’t THINK hard enough you are unlikely to come up with ANY winning method.
Just remember  -Random Rules -NOT the unfair odds !

#### dobbelsteen

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« Reply #370 on: August 21, 2017, 09:09:31 AM »
Scep I have read the first 10 pages of your blog. I do not stand alone in my feelings that your approach of the 9 block is very poor. You were not always very friendly for your opponents. I did not participate in that discussion. When I write that I DOUBT the value of the  block theory , i did not write it is false.

Your description of my example I do not understand. Your idea is very complex. Programming this system is very difficult. Every system has a DTOP. My careful estimate is more than 1000 spins. That means that the result of an session is unpredictable.

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« Reply #371 on: August 21, 2017, 01:03:16 PM »

Yes Dobbelsteen my initial explanation of the block was poor but I have already admitted that, I should have just posted the block idea and left it at that  .I am still puzzled as to why members cannot understand it ,. No one explained it to me -  and I am no maths geek . My recent attempts have gained some interest so it seems that some do not agree with you that it does not have value.
As for my being aggressive .I still am " aggressive " to those who demean not only myself but demean Method playing per se.   Why should bullying go unanswered ? The anonymous "admin " deleted one part of a post I  made  to you but I cannot remember what the "offending" part was. I can only think that it was in response to something you said that I objected to. For example ,I took objection to you asking me to  write a paper  and saying that it was " childishly simple ". This seemed to imply that I was incapable of writing a paper.
You think  my blocks have no value while I think your 10 spin Marty is a poor method. So let us leave it there
, I do respect you Dobbel  and any others in the forum  - even Real and Mr Perfect -who contribute their ideas here, It is the rubbishing of others and the refusal to accept that , in essence, w are all just guessing that I object to. , THAT is a disservice to newbies,

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##### Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #372 on: August 23, 2017, 11:44:23 PM »

I am not a fan of long progressions. We need to be aware that Random numbers can have us facing a Black Swan.
It seems obvious that if we limit a loss then  recovery is quicker.
I suggest that the best  approach is to wait for, say , 2 Reds to appear and bet one of the next 3 to be a black. Why ? Because the maths indicate that in any 5 spins  2and 3 is the most likely outcome . 2 Reds 3 Blacks or 2 Blacks 3 Reds .
A  1 -2 - 4  progression would yield a profit of 1 unit  if  a   win and a loss of 7 units if none appear.

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« Reply #373 on: January 09, 2018, 06:14:20 PM »
I think the best way to think about whether a Dozen , Column Even- Chance is “ DUE “ is to use the analogy of a Bus Timetable.
Buses seldom arrive on  time for a variety of reasons  . Consider every spin of the wheel as a minute of the Bus timetable, One Minute Late- One Spin Late-Two minutes Late-Two Spins Late - Three Minutes Late past it’s “DUE”time and still no bus.
Same with your Bet that is “ DUE”. Yes it  is “ DUE” but because of Variance it is Late. As Reyth pointed out Variance is the real problem - not the unfair odds.

There is a misunderstanding of the House Edge .
It is only part of the argument -   that the House Edge will kill our bankroll “ in the Long Term “.
The other part - the most important part - is that we do not have any “information “ to overcome the H.E.
No one argues that you cannot win betting on horse races -despite much worse odds against  than those against Roulette Bettors. Why ? Because  Horse Race Bettors have  “ information “ that allows them to overcome the odds against them .
Nevertheless, their bets are, basically , made on Assumptions and we Roulette Bettors can also use Assumptions to beat the House Edge. We need to be aware that , in all gambling scenarios , there is always a Risk of Loss.

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#### dobbelsteen

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« Reply #374 on: January 10, 2018, 01:57:48 PM »
On the homepage is very interested paper about the MYTH of the house edge. I have also explained that every system shall loss on the long run. On this forum i am the only one who define the long run. Every number chance has a DTOP. The DTOP is the aria where short run changes in long run.