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Counting Methods For Roulette?
« on: June 21, 2016, 09:00:04 AM »
I was reading some earlier posts today, and I came across Dobbel's SSB Strategy.

From what I can gather, the results of the 10-20 previous spins are analyzed for "unusual" imbalances in sequence patterns.

Specifically on the EC's..... such as an abnormal ratio of reds to black and vice versa. This idea has always appealed to me - since the chances of many pattern repeats can be highly unlikely. The tracking of such can be quite complicated even though viewing the tote boards help.

I was wondering if a count system might be used (perhaps like card counting in blackjack) such as the wheel being "rich" in blacks,reds,odds,evens,hi's-lo's, or maybe even with some of the inside stuff.. etc.

Something like red +1, +2, or blacks -1, -2.....

It may be easier to track this way....and possibly generate various wagering schemes based on a "count"...

Thoughts? 
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 10:10:28 AM »
Good idea.
 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 11:40:09 AM »
Write from phone. .. I Will send you one method that count The ec when i get home... Maybe you can get ide or inspiration of method...

And can you post The link to The ssb post by dubbel. ..

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 01:30:01 PM »
Sput.....

Dobbel has posted an enormous amount of information regarding the SSB in his blog, and various places in this forum. Here is one of the links........(see reply #148)......

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=177.135

On this link he uses a 10 number sequence.
There is much more, he goes beyond EC's and talks about strategies for Dozens, and some inside bets..... you'll have to follow his posts to find extra info, but this should get you started.
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 01:55:55 PM »
One of my guesses might be if you see something like.... R, B, R, R, B, B, R, B, B, R (5 Reds-5 Blacks) the "count" would be "neutral" or 0. Six reds/four blacks = Red +2 or Black -2 ...etc. I don't know the optimal number of spins to follow, using a 10 count here.
I suspect it would be related to the length of the progression, regression or whatever one proposes to use.

Also need to figure how the zero(s) would fit in.
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 06:16:49 PM »
I was wondering if a count system might be used (perhaps like card counting in blackjack) such as the wheel being "rich" in blacks,reds,odds,evens,hi's-lo's, or maybe even with some of the inside stuff.. etc.  . . . Thoughts?

A completely bizarre, bonkers idea - but don't let a wet blanket like me put you off.

You don't really need to keep a count of any imbalance between two opposing evens-payoff bets - simply use one of the cards that most casinos provide, in conjunction with a pencil, to track the past results. It all adds up to the same thing.

Good luck with that.

 
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 06:32:19 PM »
A completely bizarre, bonkers idea - but don't let a wet blanket like me put you off.

You don't really need to keep a count of any imbalance between two opposing evens-payoff bets - simply use one of the cards that most casinos provide, in conjunction with a pencil, to track the past results. It all adds up to the same thing.
His idea is great because instead of counting all the results in your card every time you want to know where you stand, you always know what the current count is.
 
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2016, 07:47:50 PM »
I have difficult see how it can help. In BJ the odds in the remaining cards changes, and the count is to detect that. In roulette it is no such change.
 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 08:07:43 PM »
Right now, I'm mainly looking at it as a way to simplify tracking. Whether it has other significant applications remains to be seen.
 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2016, 05:45:49 AM »

 1) I attach one method that has been mention at this forum board and i forgot from who.
Its about to track red/black and play the imbalance, clear and simple method.

 2) I attach the best known Star Progression - Carch variant - where you have to win twice.
And you can handle zig zag distribution with the progression.
You cover up to 36 loses with this progression if you extand the first line.
(Main idea is that you will be ahead two Points when playing imbalance at some Point during 36 attempts)

 3) I attach Izak Mataya whish made a count system with MagicFive.
The read is for further development and inspiration and conclusions.

I Think you can combine 1 and 2 to get a winning method and optional use option 3 as tracking method.

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 06:20:11 AM »
Thank You Sput  :)
 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 07:01:45 AM »
His idea is great because instead of counting all the results in your card every time you want to know where you stand, you always know what the current count is.

Hmmm . . . . OK, let's say that over a hundred spins the count is Black +34. Ignoring the impact of the green slot, and notwithstanding the decimals in the calculation, this is three standard deviations south of the EV (EV=~49, Red=33, Black=67). So what?

Why would this knowledge affect any decision making over where to drop the next handful of chips?

 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2016, 07:47:05 AM »
I like studying random sequences, behavior of numbers, patterns, cause and effect....etc.
 

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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2016, 05:55:58 PM »

Sheriddan i am the person who introduce Marigny's work on gambling forums.
If i remember it correct it was around 2008.

You need to set a benchmark for the windows of events you will define.
Se below where i explain.

This would reverse apply to bet on imbalance and for STDS to grow stronger.

In short terms.
Marigny work is about regression towards the mean.

The bell curve has no limit, but after several millions of simulations so has no one reach 6.0 STDS.
So Marigny set a bench mark around 3.0 or 4.0 STDS Before starting to observe for indications of corrections. The regression towards the mean can come as a tiny sequense, or medium sequense or large sequense. This mean that the STDS stop growing stronger and getting weaker and drop to 2.8 or 2.5 or 2.0 STDS. You can measuring all this event using math and probability.

I have all the simulations softwares to prove that regression is the real thing.
Once or twic i seen 3.0 STDS fall back to back, but that after the first 3.0 STDS window drop to 2.0 STDS and then hit 5.0 STDS. So in this case there was regression between does windows of events and after that the regression manifest again.

The strong side about regression towards the mean after strong imbalance is that there will be regression - but you can not tell how much - there is a common missunderstanding that we look for 100% recovery, this is not the case.
The strong side is that you observe regression to happen Before placing any bets, so you never chasing loses or betting against any events, you ride the regression when is present.

With window of events with 3.0 STDS.
And the window of events show a strenght behind the STDS measuring windows of events.
For example 14 reds and 2 blacks is a tight, short window which reach 3.0 STDS.
And your expectation would be to see regression within the next 50 events/trails.
The window with 14 reds and 2 blacks can grow stronger and hovering around 3.0 STDS Before there is any regression.
But the Points is that you have a bench mark for how small and large windows you should allow.
For example 16 to 25 events windows (trails).
You lose strenght when you see a window with 100 events/trails to reach 3.0 STDS, it grow slowly with no Sharp cut Point, so the expectation will not be to observe regression for the next 50 events/trails it can take up to 300 events/trails.
Just want to mention this difference.

This would reverse apply to bet on imbalance and for STDS to grow stronger.
 
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Re: Counting Methods For Roulette?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2016, 07:08:24 PM »
Thanks Sput......

Yep, I'm using some rough guidelines and approximations as I dig into this. I've learned that one has to be "flexible" and not take them at their exact word.... meaning that numbers don't always "behave" like you might "want" them to. Regression towards the mean can take on nearly infinite forms. Rarely do they conform immediately....it's usually subtle.... like one or two here.....a few there....over a series of hundreds or perhaps thousands of trials. Inevitably it will reach it's -2.7 or -5.26....it's merely a question how it does it - and how long it takes. But it DOES correct, and it takes more than the very next spin to do it.
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