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but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« on: June 14, 2016, 11:23:43 PM »
"I play on-line RNG because I dont live close enough to a B&M casino".

Kens solution >> tough s**t, then dont play. You have to be a nutty bird to trust RNG, regardless of real play or testing. I agree, it would suck to NOT play roulette (my favorite game) but the RISK is not worth it. Its my opinion and I'm right as usual.

As far as playing on-line at a LIVE casino.....DublinBet & CCasino are great BUT.....

you may not be cheated in terms of WHERE the ball lands but you'll have other POSSIBLE issues with, payouts, losing your connection at "odd" times etc. So thats really not cheating per say but they'll make life a bit tougher for you. Sorry guys, its B&M or no roulette at all.

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 07:09:31 AM »
Where there is a will there is a way
 

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 09:31:42 AM »
You have to be a nutty bird to trust RNG, regardless of real play or testing.

I agree,  but there's one exception. BetVoyager's randomness control uses a cryptographic hash function which ensures that they can't change the numbers after you bet (or if they do, then you'll know about it), and you can check it for yourself using software independent of BV. If you dismiss this as a gimmick then you don't understand how it works.

This is foolproof, even more foolproof than a B&M casino, which after all, could still be cheating you, although it's unlikely.

I really don't understand why other RNG OC's don't use the technique.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 08:23:33 PM by kav »
 

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 06:16:28 PM »
Most people are too mentally lazy and lack the foresight required to win. 

Playing online is a sucker's bet.
  It's very difficult to get the edge online, and when you do, the casinos won't payout out once they realize that you're an advantage player. (BAD FAITH) I know some APs that do it, but their operations are too complex and are outside of what 99.999% of people are capable of imagining, let alone attempting. 

Online gaming is basically an addicted player's folly.

My advise is to go to real casinos and play live dealers or airball games.
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2016, 04:29:36 PM »
Online gaming is basically an addicted player's folly.

Bit of a sweeping statement, don't you think? What about sports betting or trading? that's basically "gaming" and it has to be done online.

And posting in large bold font doesn't make your opinions true.  ::)
 

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2016, 05:04:13 PM »
"Online gaming is basically an addicted player's folly" >> I agree 100%.

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2016, 05:33:43 PM »
"Online gaming is basically an addicted player's folly" >> I disagree 100%.
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 07:20:14 PM »
Some could possibly be thankful that they are at least given the option of wagering online. Most of us in the bible belt section of the good ol' USA cannot partake in such "vanities".....since many of our laws are legislated through "morals"... courtesy of the bully pulpit, and various other special interests. Their reasoning usually follows a story line like this....

"Little old ladies will gather up most of their personal belongings and hock them, cash their social security checks, go without food and medicine, prostitute, sell their kids... and do almost anything... just to get one more deal, spin, or slot pull - to satisfy their insatiable gambling appetite. Being able to do it online would make it that much easier ".

It's so "comforting" to know others are "looking out" for us.. ya know.  ;)

« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 08:09:11 PM by Sheridan44 »
 
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 08:55:09 PM »
"Some could possibly be thankful that they are at least given the option of wagering online" >> Thankful??
 
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2016, 09:08:34 PM »
Well, perhaps better stated as...  "knowing they have an option to" ...and leaving the "thankful" part out... LOL
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2016, 01:43:41 PM »
You have to be a nutty bird to trust RNG, regardless of real play or testing.

I agree,  but there's one exception. BetVoyager's randomness control uses a cryptographic hash function which ensures that they can't change the numbers after you bet (or if they do, then you'll know about it), and you can check it for yourself using software independent of BV. If you dismiss this as a gimmick then you don't understand how it works.

This is foolproof, even more foolproof than a B&M casino, which after all, could still be cheating you, although it's unlikely.

I really don't understand why other RNG OC's don't use the technique.

I am basicly a B&M casino player. So I am unable to judge whether you could be fooled on not. On another forum, however, I read that BetVoyager takes 10% as a kind of tax. 10% from you winnings.
Besides,  I read  in a review (THE POGG.COM) that you must tell about your winnings (BetVoyager)  on forums in order to get paid.
Please tell me if you are able to confirm these statements, Bayes.  Thanks.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 01:46:44 PM by Dane »
 

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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2016, 05:05:27 PM »
The winnings you must tell public at BV is not the casino winnings, it is other winnings from tournaments, the reason they want that is to prove they actually pays the prices.  The 10% of net winnings is only on games without house advantages, other games pays out the winning sum. 10% on no HA is very low compared to a house advantages, if you play more than a small numbers of spins.
 
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2016, 06:47:56 AM »
The winnings you must tell public at BV is not the casino winnings, it is other winnings from tournaments, the reason they want that is to prove they actually pays the prices.  The 10% of net winnings is only on games without house advantages, other games pays out the winning sum. 10% on no HA is very low compared to a house advantages, if you play more than a small numbers of spins.

Somewhere else I read that you must go public
 in order to prove that you are not a machine.
WELCOME TO THE MACHINE :)

Their NO ZERO ROLETTE is without a house advantage.
As far as I can tell 10% is very HIGH compared to 2.7%!
It seems that we ought to be aware of unethical behaviour and facts written in fine print.
 
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 07:18:54 AM »
10% on the net winnings is FAR LESS than the house advantages of 2.7%.  The House Advantages is calculated on every bet. You can play long enough, like turn over the bankroll 30x, and it is near sure it is lost.

I have turned over more than 20000 Euro for a net of only 10, such a session should of course be near impossible to win on a wheel with  any HA greater than zero.

We must however read the fine print, some games has no HA in some bets but not all. There is a timelimit for a session.

I have never been told to go public with a winning, it is only if you win on special promotions, as they like to show they really pay the winners there. Sometimes they give "free money".´, and the winner is not a fake name.
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Re: but I dont live close to a casino...silly arguement
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 02:35:55 PM »
What you might have won, proves nothing. Once I won much money at a "Water Based Casino" ferry between Frederikshavn and Gothenburg, although the pay-outs were "sämre" (worse than usual) as you probably know.

From casino-advisor.co.uk:
"impose a tricky rule (every so often it is written in small fonts on the relevant webpage to reduce its noticeability): In each betting round a player is charged a certain amount of money. In other words, each spin of the wheel generates a financial charge. Sometimes a player is only charged a permission of a percentage of the win. Although the amount of the charge may be miniscule compared to the amount bet by the player, this rule - if a player plays for real money - can potentially turn the player´s profit into nearly nothing".
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 02:37:53 PM by Dane »
 
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