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A short roulette tutorial
« on: June 12, 2016, 11:35:27 AM »
 I'm not the best at wording things but I'll give it a shot. Playable at a REAL casino? (no air ball)

 Lots of talk at other boards regarding "great" methods. Over the years, my definition is slowly becoming part of the minority, not just yet but its getting there. The trend seems to be these "great" methods played at HOME, playing *MANY* numbers, with a progression, usually RNG, keep track of the trot (lol), use the latest/greatest software and of course your bot. (I could make a song out of all that)

 Where have the REAL MEN (and you ladies) gone in regards to actually going to a B&M casino...study the dealer a bit, watch the ball a bit (I never play at a table with the little beebee ball), use no progressions, a smart BR and have a VERY DECENT bet selection? Where have these threads/posts/ideas/members gone to?

 This is NOT todays roulette message boards, which is unfortunate. I'm speaking in general terms mind you, there are few exceptions. The old GG and VIP (and even RF in the EARLY stages) were *NOTHING* like it is now.

 The best of the best (imo) dont post any more (cant say I blame them) but I refuse to believe they have QUIT playing the game. Some maybe but certainly not all. The new board leaders (cough) are so far out of their element, they have NO CLUE what a DECENT method even looks like. KTF is a joke. GUT is a joke but because the members are so green, they dont see it.

 Some will say, the bottom line is your net profit. Really?

 Meaning, take one of these goofy home systems.....we'll say Joe has played it and has netted $400 for the day. Bob goes to a casino and grinds it out, nets $300 for the day. I'm sorry but the $300 is more impressive and thats not counting Bob has to drive to and from the nearest casino.

 Also, many of these home players (cough) are really only testing/practicing these systems, laying very little of their hard earned money on it. This is a holy grail, thats a holy grail, this is a holy grail...but in the end, nothing but hot-air. Sell everything you own, go get some loans and go to a REAL casino with your HG(s) and make thousands and thousands weekly !!!

 You cant have it BOTH ways. Talking s**t but risking very little. Real men get out there, grind & hustle.

 They dont wait for more "applauds", chase the smarter guys off boards and sit around patting each other on the backs. Rookie players do that, not men.

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 12:13:13 PM »
Hmmm . . . . just thinking how what you've written might apply to me?

I don't bet very much, or win/lose very much, when playing the wheel of doom - which I do for recreational purposes and because my losses aren't such that it has caused me to question whether I should continue in doing so. I suppose I risk very little?

I apply a method when I play, but I'm the first to say it's no better, and no worse, than anyone else's - and over time it'll cause me to lose money in the same way as all other systems.

I don't play at regular bricks and mortar casinos very often, largely due to the distance to my nearest one.

Does that make me a rookie player?   :-[

 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 02:19:24 PM »
I do not need to read many old fora, to see who have burnt their ass  repeatedly.
 
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 03:29:22 PM »
Those new to the game or hopefuls looking for the HG are always going to be trying the tried and trusted failures first, I guess that's part of the evolution of the serious player. Unfortunately the only knowledge that really sinks in is the hard-earned kind.

I'm a firm believer that 'where there's a will there's a way'. Stick with it long enough,  try different approaches, and if you're not enjoying the challenge, give up. What's the point if you're not having fun?

I believe that any methodology can be successful. Hot numbers, cold numbers, progressions, flat betting, even AP!  ;D
 
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2016, 03:59:14 PM »
I believe that any methodology can be successful. Hot numbers, cold numbers, progressions, flat betting, even AP!  ;D

That is quite the mature view.  I wish more math oriented roulette "enthusiasts" had that "full spectrum" view.

I guess it will always come down to trying to make the appearance of that "hidden beast" as least likely as possible and if we can consistently double our income, we have arrived! :D
 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2016, 05:15:37 PM »
Its is not strange at all, the casinos move to the net. It is like many ofther has done like trading, banks. The world is allways changing.

A trip to a casino (as here) you have to have a lot of money to gambling with, 20 dollar min, a spin a minute.
Some years ago very few played roulette in casinos or go to the slots.  Today it is a bit more due to the trade is expanding.

In Sweden the gambling is about $1000 a head/year, this is underestimated, as  a matter of fact we do not know, we have no restrictions playing on any casino via internet, and the wins are not taxed (If the casino have license in EU).

Daily Telegraph have publish some secret papers from BM casino industry. The most income is from very wealthy, losing 10000 of Euro, and a few who easy lose much more. The second group is players visiting very often and has some addiction. The only group which the casino doing not so well with is players which play a few times a year, and stop on a smaller win, using the money for other thing, and if the lose it is very small compare to the other.

Most of the play on line is in FUN about 7 to 10 times more. Some members of rouletteforum never play with money at all.
The time is passed when BM was the only option. Like we do not meet at a stockexcange and by and sell real paper, or use cash in all transactions.
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 12:49:57 AM »
If anyone is dreaming of striking it rich by gambling online or in much of Europe, then think again.

In a rush to end currency and to increase electronic transactions, consistent winners can now be easily weeded out and banned.  And if you're online, then your accounts are easily frozen.  Entry to many of the casinos requires registration.  All cash outs also require electronic transfer, and or identification in order to be "processed".  Gone are your days of anonymity. 

  Progressive government and banking comes at a cost, freedom.  Much of Europe has been all toO eager to just blissfully give it away.

-Really
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2016, 02:15:03 AM »
They know every move. I laugh of statement like "stay under the radar", "not be noticed", things which may have been possible long time ago. Both on line and at a BM they know every move and no "secret" exist. They have records of all what happen, and they know exactly who you are, every bet you placed. They have in many cases even your fingerprint.
 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2016, 02:20:14 AM »
100% correct Real.

This is also what I am TRYING to spit out.....Regardless of how great you think your method is (KTF, GUT etc), if there are obstacles in your way (as Real pointed out), you can not ignore these by simply saying, but on paper it works out great OR looking at numbers after they have hit (@JackoffJoy casino, whatever its called). It *STILL* counts as a non-winning system/method.
This is the part where the NEWER guys/denial players just dont get it.....IT MUST BE PLAYABLE WITH NO OBSTACLES IN YOUR WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whether online (you shouldn't play anyways) or at a B&M casino. Myself......I get a few dealers that launch that ball within SECONDS so I dont get enough time to place bets. It pisses everyone else off and they leave the table.

My solution? I bet only a few numbers, no progression (no real updated math needed) and the chips are IN my hand ready to go. I have to fight fire with fire.

You can have the greatest roulette HG in existence but if there are obstacles.....you NO LONGER posses that HG.

Agree with this or not, its the truth.

Ken
 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2016, 02:30:34 AM »
Ken,

Is it you? No progression?
Haven't you supposedly been successful for years with progressions?

You keep changing ideas and approaches all the time. From sleepers to hot numbers and from progression fanatic to no progression. Yet you insist you have been making money all this time. I don't understand why would anyone making money with one approach will change his approach upside down every year and dismiss his own approach of the year before. Why dismiss many numbers, or sleepers or progressions if you claim that in the past you have been making money with these methods. Something doesn't make sense here.

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2016, 02:45:35 AM »
I dont know where to start? Per sentence? Almost everything you said is exaggerated.

I've been on the boards for around 13 years. (est) Where did I say I make money ALL THE TIME? I'll be waiting for that answer. I stopped progressions around four years ago. (est) How come you didn't mention that? I stopped with COLD numbers around the same time. You also didn't mention that. Why?

I was the progression lunatic, NOT the progression fanatic. So over *MANY* years, a person is not allowed to LEARN from mistakes? Is that what you're selling? I now LAUGH at the very same goofs that play the way I did back in the day. I learned and moved on (thank God) and if the timetable works out, these other goofs will do the same (knock on wood).

"You keep changing ideas and approaches all the time" >> So within my 13 years (est), I changed from cold to hot (once) AND from progression to FLAT betting (once). Curious how you come up with "all the time"? The funny thing, I see the TROUBLE MAKERS do the most....so-n-so says something and its a mad dash checking posts from seven different boards from ten years ago (roflmao). People have time for that? Ten years ago, I think apple was my favorite pie, its cherry now, is that ok? I have a TON of admiration for the guy that learns and tweaks, learns and tweaks etc. That person has my 100% respect.

I half agree with you, switching viewpoints every 30 days is a bit odd. As far as welcome back to the forum....I'm more or less venting. I barely had time to even post this much. I want to HELP but it goes ignored and thats where my line was/is drawn. If Bob Smith thinks he's a roulette hotshot but loses and loses, Ken thinks what?

F**k if I care, sorry.

Ken
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2016, 02:46:38 AM »
I hear ya Real...

Unfortunately, it's happening in the US also.

I opened my eyes to this stuff quite some time ago. That's why I'm an Infowars (Alex Jones) Warrior.
 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2016, 03:21:09 AM »

Sheridan,

Are you in the US?

In the US you still have your anonymity.  You're not required to use a club card, and you don't need id or a club card in order to cash out under certain amounts.

 

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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2016, 03:23:21 AM »
Those new to the game or hopefuls looking for the HG are always going to be trying the tried and trusted failures first, I guess that's part of the evolution of the serious player. Unfortunately the only knowledge that really sinks in is the hard-earned kind.

I'm a firm believer that 'where there's a will there's a way'. Stick with it long enough,  try different approaches, and if you're not enjoying the challenge, give up. What's the point if you're not having fun?

I believe that any methodology can be successful. Hot numbers, cold numbers, progressions, flat betting, even AP!  ;D
This post made my day. Thanks Bayes. Fully agree.

Real raises an important issue. However as Sheridan mentioned this not a European problem only. In fact it is not an online gambling problem only. Even B&M casinos can make your life miserable if you keep winning. and have all your details.

I dont know where to start? Per sentence? Almost everything you said is exaggerated.

I've been on the boards for around 13 years. (est) Where did I say I make money ALL THE TIME? I'll be waiting for that answer. I stopped progressions around four years ago. (est) How come you didn't mention that? I stopped with COLD numbers around the same time. You also didn't mention that. Why?

I was the progression lunatic, NOT the progression fanatic. So over *MANY* years, a person is not allowed to LEARN from mistakes? Is that what you're selling? I now LAUGH at the very same goofs that play the way I did back in the day. I learned and moved on (thank God) and if the timetable works out, these other goofs will do the same (knock on wood).

"You keep changing ideas and approaches all the time" >> So within my 13 years (est), I changed from cold to hot (once) AND from progression to FLAT betting (once). Curious how you come up with "all the time"? The funny thing I see the TROUBLE MAKERS do the most....so-n-so says something and its a mad dash checking posts from seven different boards from ten years ago (roflmao). People have time for that? Ten years ago, I think apple was my favorite pie, its cherry now, is that ok? I have a TON of admiration for the guy that learns and tweaks, learns and tweaks etc. That person has my 100% respect.
Ken

Ken,
I forgot to mention that you make a good point about playing in real casinos with real money is quite different than playing online with fun money or testing in excel. The differences are too many to actually explain here. From practical differences, to expenses to min max bets, to the wheel, taking breaks etc. etc.

But I wont dismiss online players as not "real players". There are some very knowledgeable roulette players that do not have a casino near their homes. That's not their fault. And many of them do a lot of valuable research and brainstorming and studying.

And one disadvantage of "real" casinos is that they force you to be a gambler. It is much harder to play disciplined in a real casino than online.

As for you changing your methods. I don't want to attack you or anything like that, I just want to understand your story regarding roulette. There are many posts in the past where you describe your winnings with progressions. With specific numbers in $. If I remember correctly you even said you bought a restaurant or something with your profits 5 years ago. Then a couple of years ago I read that you prefer hot numbers instead of sleepers. And now I read that you don't believe in progressions any more.

I don't know maybe the whole misunderstanding is due to you being more vocal about your winning than about your losses. Something very common among gamblers :-)
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Re: A short roulette tutorial
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 03:36:39 AM »
I lose many many times. Any person is a liar if they say they never lose. As far as the "home players", what I am saying....lets see their SAME "winning" system (all 28 numbers, plus progression and dont forget the trot) played and winning at a B&M casino? Maybe my rules for being impressed are a bit much but I can guarantee you, those same keyboard jockey goofs would never cut it in the REAL casino environment.

So I should be impressed because they "play it safe at home"? (lol) Not me.

Excel? Damn I am old school. I go to a B&M casino and do battle not only with the dealer....also pit, others at my table, girls trying to steal my chips and lately, an occasional shoot out happens here. I man the f**k up when I play.

Its all business on my end. Try doing what I do.

You are correct, I went half/half with a friend and bought a restaurant.

Still the same story, it wont change. I was not happy (various reasons) and was bought out.  Winning or losing, my buy ins are 3-10K per visit. Meaning, my winning days are *VERY* nice....and 3-4 days per week.

Ken
 
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