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Reyth

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Dirty Thirty
« on: June 06, 2016, 04:32:30 AM »


2 units on HIGH, 1 unit on D1.

1) Spin until a loss
2) Raise 2 units on HIGH and 1 unit on D1
2a) Win 3 times and lower 2/1
2b) Lose and repeat step 2

If in profit go back down to base bet.

This is based on the principle that HIGH is 3 times as likely to hit as a single DS AND D1 improves those results even further by absorbing 12 additional numbers at the cost of only a single unit.

This works so good its like STEALING money! :D
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 06:26:34 AM »
So, I guess the reverse could be true.... 2u on Low and 1u on 3rd Dozen.
 

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 06:40:27 AM »
This works so good its like STEALING money! :D

 . . . for a while . . . .    :(
 

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 07:24:52 AM »
Yes a DS can hit many times, and in this case it is rapid progression. The bank will not steal so often, but more.

Find a NOZ it will work better.   Or more better  use an AM-Wheel with fair odds. The payout on a single is 38.

That means if we put low value chips on the first dozen and one on each zeros plus 18 on the high.

If High hits we gain 4 units, if dozen hits  6 units. And if any zero hits 12 units.

We can progress by moving a chip from the dozen to High, it will increase the winnings on zero as well.
 
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 09:57:55 AM »
Firstly, not three times more likely , and in the 18/12 = 1.5 times. Secondly, 1 Dozen win gives 0 , and three consecutive high is rare. Here is an example of a real game:
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 09:59:34 AM »
Here are the spins, which I played :
 

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 12:56:33 PM »
I use this wager with triggers also, but I place 3 units on low and 2 units on the third dozen.

Profit 20%. After a loss I double the bets. The triggers are the repeaters of the DSs. this method is part of the game of the dices. A DS is a site of a dice The units on low or high are a small Insurance for the zero in case of La Partage.
 
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Reyth

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 01:55:54 PM »

Firstly, not three times more likely , and in the 18/12 = 1.5 times. Secondly, 1 Dozen win gives 0 , and three consecutive high is rare. Here is an example of a real game:

Is this flat betting?
 

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 02:09:17 PM »


No, I played as written above :
[/size]1) Spin until a loss[/color][/size]2) Raise 2 units on HIGH and 1 unit on D12a) Win 3 times and lower 2/12b) Lose and repeat step 2[/color]
 
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 02:32:29 PM »
Here are the spins, which I played :
Vitally, all is very simple I looked to your spins. Not know where you played, but look - say you observe 50 spins and then simply bet on theese which not fall any time.
Such numbers we have 9 and next 71 spin we bet 9 units in spin and win 23 times so 23*36=828 , and you played 71 spin *9 units  so placed 639 units on table . All that is like 30% advantage.
Does is not simple ?
 

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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2016, 02:46:43 PM »
Thanks for your hard work here!

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Firstly, not three times more likely , and in the 18/12 = 1.5 times.

The dozen covers 12 numbers and high covers 18 numbers that leaves a double street (6) and the zero (1) left uncovered.  high (18) vs. double street (6) is 3:1.

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Secondly, 1 Dozen win gives 0

Yes, done intentionally to keep the cost & bankroll req. down.

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three consecutive high is rare

I disagree because it is just slightly under expectation (due to the zero); it is as likely as 3 in a row for R/B betting?

But you know that makes me think! 

What if we DOUBLED the raise amount and only required TWO wins in a row? <===

I just got done with a session where I was down about 1000 units and because of the 3:1, it still recovered.  What I have learned from this is that if the DS & zero become hot, it can draw down quite alot.

One technique that I have implemented is immediately after a loss, DOUBLE the raise amount for one win; then lower back 2/1 for the 2 remaining hits.  More than one loss in a row IS rare and keep doubling the raise amount until you get that win.

Recovery is aided by the fact that the raising accrues more than a 1:1 ratio with the debt.

And finally you are right, I need to put this to a computer test. :D
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2016, 05:21:53 PM »
 I play around with this bet and use the lines and high/low.

 A Dice has six sides and it takes 1.5% for it to alternate or for each side to show once.
 This is very rare and you have 98.5% probability that you will get at least one repeat.

 That means you can wait for any of the lines 123 to hit once in any order.
 Example 231 or 132 or 231 or 123 or 213 you get the Point.

 Then you Place 3 units on low and two units each one line 5 and 6.
 This force the line to hit 4 if it continues to alternate.
 If we lose then we bet 6 units on low and 2 units each on line 4 and 6.
 Now if it continues to alternage and we lose then we Place the last bet.
 Covering 11 units on low and 3 units each on line 4 and 5.
 If we lose this last bet we covering all six attemps for a Dice not alternating with 1.5% chance.
 Same way around or backwards from 654 or in any combination where we would Place 3 chips on high and 1 unit each on line 2 and 1 and so on.

Not sure about the progression, have not test it so much, it only recover part of the loses.
So it depends on having a high strike ratio.



Cheers
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2016, 06:10:42 PM »
I like this option where you find sleeping location and play.
This is the result if you grind during 300 trails, note only one loss.

W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W L W

With higer risk and play until a loss you increase the variance.
Then it looks like this during 300 trails.

WLWWWWWWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWLWWWWWWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL

WWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

WWWWWWLWWW (LL) WWW

With this kind of results you have to be more flexibal and this make me Think off the 28 number bet.
Where the original with two dozen bets and two splits make it more flexibal to locate sleeping locations all over the layout where you can change and adapt the betting to become the same but at different locations, so we cover recent hits and avoid sleeping locations.
This increase the strike ratio to become very high or secure depening on if you grinding or bet with higher risk to get more action.
That make the 3 unit on high and 1 unit on line and 1 corner bet to vanich.
I rahter get more secure selection with higher strike ration then hedge betting with La Partage Rule.

Cheers
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2016, 06:53:50 PM »
I like this bet Reyth and it can be very useful playing the first (or third) dozen as an insurance. But the bet is also suitable for a grind and "easy" winnings. However... I would recommend changing your strategy when loosing. For instance, playing just on EC's or Dozens until you've gained your loss in winnings. This bet (as all bets) can bankrupt you.

So this bet combined with a few more strategies and you can have a lot of fun :-)
 
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Re: Dirty Thirty
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2016, 08:28:31 PM »
Actually I was thinking of adding a "tiered recovery system" that would automatically adjust upward as losses accrue to take full advantage when variance subsides and multiple successive wins again occur.