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progression for columns- dozens bets
« on: May 29, 2016, 10:19:52 AM »
hi i ve developed a bet selection that produces too many wins in a  row , what is the best progression , what do u think about hollandish ? perhaps too slow for this?  you know iam thinking to increase my units size when i am sure for a hit ,but it needs big br , it has big winning streaks ,and not big bad streaks till now , the common will be 4 or 5[rare] in a row [ it has been till 7 once!] , any thoughts?


 
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2016, 10:23:08 AM »
well by mistake i said common are 4 when in fact are 3, 4 are not so common! i ve test it close to 10000 spins .
 
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2016, 12:49:37 PM »
I like the "stock broker Paroli"  where you +1 on every win.  On the 3rd win you are then betting with the house money and if win streaks are common you will make a KILLING.
 
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2016, 12:51:40 PM »

Reyth can you show that progression or PM me - many thanks :-)

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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2016, 04:16:43 PM »
I just realized that the "3rd win-house money" is for EC's; different bet selections will have different "house money thresholds".

Anyway, here is the post:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=713.msg10270#msg10270

I think there is a way to grail this out somehow...
 

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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2016, 05:09:47 PM »

petespin i have two different approches for that kind of bet, one is negative progression.
You need to win 8 times at each level to drop down to previos level which i like very much.
You can exteand it to 1:1 1:1 and make it four in a row for each level.

As a thought on the progression, if you lose a 1-1  3-3  9-9 progression, we could go to a 3-3  9-9  27-27  for 7 or 8 wins and then drop back to 1-1  3-3  9-9 to recover the remaining units.  If you lose within the 8 wins at 3-3 9-9 27-27 then you can move to a final progression of 9-9 27-27 81-81 for 8 times and then drop back down.  More risky, but a loss on  the 3rd set of bets should be pretty rare.

For example 4 loses + 1 win + 4 loses + 1 win +4 loses is around 3.0 STDS

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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2016, 07:56:55 PM »
There are some interesting variations that can be used with paroli-type systems.

One of which is known in some circles as the Stepladder. Here is an example....

1 2 3 4 (5) 6 7 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 30 35 40..etc

With this series you start at 5, and move up one rung when you win and down one when you lose. This way, should a winning streak begin immediately after a loss or two - you won't have to start back at 1, and will reap a little more profit from it. The progression / regression both ways is mild. An ultra conservative way to play this is to move up one level only when you're a net winner at the current level.

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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2016, 08:09:08 PM »
There are some interesting variations that can be used with paroli-type systems.

One of which is known in some circles as the Stepladder. Here is an example....

1 2 3 4 (5) 6 7 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 30 35 40..etc

With this series you start at 5, and you move up one rung when you win and down one when you lose. This way, should a winning streak begin immediately after a loss or two - you wont have to start back at 1, and will reap a little more profit from it. The progression / regression both ways is mild. An ultra conservative way to play this is to move up one level only when you're a net winner at that level.

Interesting.  I also tried to make a betting framework for the Paroli here:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=713.msg10753#msg10753

Maybe we can improve upon the "Paroli Hack Method" to lengthen the progression?  I think the problem is that it tries to totally eliminate all debt in a one double-win event where if we lighten that up to 75% of the debt or 60% maybe it will survive?

What if we try only betting once a trigger presents itself; say like 10 or 20 losses in a row?

We need a structure that will handle loss streaks from 8 to 55 in a row...

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=713.msg12435#msg12435

I am trying to understand your ladder though...  Can you give a betting example?
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2016, 08:19:18 PM »
Let's say....you've decided to bet red only (somewhat ridiculous, but illustrative)....

You start at 5. If you win you move up to 6 and bet red again....as long as you keep winning, you move up one step. If you lose - like at 8, you drop back one step to 7 and resume.

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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2016, 08:30:32 PM »
The stepladder example I presented is the standard example. One could design their personal stepladder to suit their own tastes or theories. What I like about it - is it has its own "built in" progression and regression.
 
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 08:32:03 PM »
Oh aha.  Ok thanks! :D
 
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2016, 08:41:48 PM »
I love your Paroli framework examples! Should be able to hammer out a significant process. Good brain food to consider and work on. Thanx!
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2016, 09:25:32 PM »
Don't want to throw out too much at once, since we already have lots to consider involving the Paroli and its possible variants......but here is another method which I call the "Reverse Stepladder". It's kind of a mildly progressing elongated martingale (if that makes any sense). You could literally arrange your chips on the table (by denomination) like this.....

           1 1 1 1 1 1 1
           2 2 2 2 2
           5 5 5 5 5

42 units total.

You start betting the 1's.... when you win - you add your winning chips to the 1 row, if you lose you bet the next one (of the remaining 6 chips in the 1 row). You keep betting the 1's until there are none left, in which you'd start betting 2's from the next row... and so on. 

What's great about this is you have a visual - right in front of you - of where you are standing profit or loss wise. If you have an excess you can see exactly how much ahead you are - and if you are deficient, you can see and calculate that too instantly.

This helps preclude always stopping to calculate where you are - profit/loss wise.
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 09:29:06 PM »
I love your Paroli framework examples! Should be able to hammer out a significant process. Good brain food to consider and work on. Thanx!

I just moved the chains forward significantly!  A quick coding when I have time will reveal if our trigger is workable or not...

It will be VERY EXCITING to have a workable PAROLI SYSTEM!! :D

Code: [Select]
10 RANDOMIZE TIMER
20 r = INT(RND * 37)
30 IF r = 0 THEN 260 'zero handler;all ACTIVE flags reset & all counters advanced
40 IF r < 19 THEN low = 1
50 IF r > 18 THEN high = 1
60 IF r = 1 OR r = 3 OR r = 5 OR r = 7 OR r = 9 OR r = 14 OR r = 16 OR r = 18 THEN red = 1: GOTO 100 '
70 IF r = 19 OR r = 21 OR r = 23 OR r = 25 OR r = 27 OR r = 30 OR r = 32 OR r = 34 OR r = 36 THEN red = 1: GOTO 100 '

80 'number is black
90 black = 1

100 IF r = 1 OR r = 3 OR r = 5 OR r = 7 OR r = 9 OR r = 11 OR r = 13 OR r = 15 OR r = 17 THEN odd = 1: GOTO 140 '
110 IF r = 19 OR r = 21 OR r = 23 OR r = 25 OR r = 27 OR r = 29 OR r = 31 OR r = 33 OR r = 35 THEN odd = 1: GOTO 140 '

120 'number is even
130 even = 1

140 'number is fully identified
150 'each EC is ACTIVE or INACTIVE AND HIT or UNHIT

160 'if ACTIVE and currently hit, then counter & flag is reset for that EC*
170 'if ACTIVE and currently unhit, then counter is advanced for that EC and ACTIVE flag is reset*
180 'if INACTIVE and currently hit then counter is advanced for that EC and ACTIVE flag is set*
190 'if INACTIVE and currently unhit then counter is advanced for that EC*

200 IF black = 1 THEN GOSUB 1000: rc = rc + 1: rf = 0: GOTO 220
210 GOSUB 1040: bc = bc + 1: bf = 0
220 IF low = 1 THEN GOSUB 1070: hc = hc + 1: hf = 0: GOTO 240
230 GOSUB 1100: lc = lc + 1: lf = 0
240 IF odd = 1 THEN GOSUB 1130: ec = ec + 1: ef = 0: GOTO 290 '
250 GOSUB 1160: oc = oc + 1: ofl = 1

260 'zero handler
270 rf = 0: bf = 0: hf = 0: lf = 0: ef = 0: ofl = 0
280 rc = rc + 1: bc = bc + 1: hc = hc + 1: lc = lc + 1: ec = ec + 1: oc = oc + 1

290 'examine processed results
300 'examine all counters for 30 and handle
310 'examine hit counter for 16M and output end results
317 'reset all hit counters for each EC

320 IF rc = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: rc = 0
330 IF bc = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: bc = 0
340 IF hc = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: hc = 0
350 IF lc = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: lc = 0
360 IF ec = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: ec = 0
370 IF oc = 30 THEN trigger = trigger + 1: oc = 0

380 IF hit >= 16000000 THEN 400 'output end results handler

390 black = 0: red = 0: low = 0: high = 0: odd = 0: even = 0: GOTO 20

400 'output end results
410 PRINT "Trigger Failures:"; hit
420 PRINT "Trigger Successes:"; trigger
430 END

1000 'black handler
1010 'black is HIT AND is either ACTIVE or INACTIVE
1020 IF bf = 1 THEN bf = 0: bc = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1030 bc = bc + 1: bf = 1: RETURN

1040 'red handler
1050 IF rf = 1 THEN rf = 0: rc = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1060 rc = rc + 1: rf = 1: RETURN

1070 'low handler
1080 IF lf = 1 THEN lf = 0: lc = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1090 lc = lc + 1: lf = 1: RETURN

1100 'high handler
1110 IF hf = 1 THEN hf = 0: hc = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1120 hc = hc + 1: hf = 1: RETURN

1130 'odd handler
1140 IF ofl = 1 THEN ofl = 0: oc = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1150 oc = oc + 1: ofl = 1: RETURN

1160 'even handler
1170 IF ef = 1 THEN ef = 0: ec = 0: hit = hit + 1: RETURN
1180 ec = ec + 1: ef = 1: RETURN

This yielded the following:



Which is 0.0728235625 or approximately 1 in 14 which means that on average, our trigger will hit once every 14 spins which is obviously quite workable!

Now we just need to code the EC tracker...

Ok have to take a break here for sleep.  I made a mistake in the trigger it is probably like something around 1 in 30 spins for it to hit.

Attached is the quick software I wrote.  I think it works!

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Ok the system is a bit whacked out due to needing 3 hits in a row (1 virtual PLUS 2 actual) and I don't feel like messing with it at this time.

I think though that the software is useful in that it will indicate which EC is languishing the most which IS good for the method (steps 1-4 in my Paroli post) because it will always make sure that we are betting the EC that has the greatest chance of producing a win (3 in a row).  A nice benefit of the system is that we only bet on triggers.  I simply follow the progression in the Paroli post (2,2,3,5,7 etc.) betting on the most languishing EC.
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Re: progression for columns- dozens bets
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2016, 06:25:06 AM »
There are some interesting variations that can be used with paroli-type systems.

One of which is known in some circles as the Stepladder. Here is an example....

1 2 3 4 (5) 6 7 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 30 35 40..etc

With this series you start at 5, and move up one rung when you win and down one when you lose. This way, should a winning streak begin immediately after a loss or two - you won't have to start back at 1, and will reap a little more profit from it. The progression / regression both ways is mild. An ultra conservative way to play this is to move up one level only when you're a net winner at the current level.

At what point is it conservative, if start from 5 and win once +5 and then wagering 6 and lose, now you are -1.
We deal with a 50/50 game and why would some one give back hes winnings to the casino?
Thies means i have to win two in a row to stay in profit which is not so good.

If i place 5 units and win i have one decision to make, how much should i lower my bet to keep a profit and not being a loser.

This is not personal, but i want more players to see the real march behind this staking solutions.
Same with flat betting, you have to win two in a row to keep +1 unit profit.
Also guetting which make you wagering up to three times to keep a profit.

I can show a winning sequense where Regression Up & Pull is superior.
First you can never lose it all back after winning once, one bet.
After that Everything is bonus and if you strike and lose you last bet you take a smaller bite into past winnings then what Guetting does.

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