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##### bet after 4 ec's
« on: May 26, 2016, 08:31:25 AM »
I have looked at 4 months of results on spielbank Wiesbaden at betting on red after 4 blacks in a row, betting once then waiting for another 4 blacks and so on, chasing \$10 wins you would need a bank roll of \$2550 because the most I saw went to 8, 7 misses then win , this can be applied to all ec's which would give good results on rng roulette, possible too slow on a real wheel, who has looked in to this and I would like to hear opinion's on this

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 11:37:04 AM »
I come up with some intressting solutions for even money bets where you increase probability in the same tima as you reduce the amount of attempts to cover does expected combinations.
This in combination with gap methodology or end play i succed flat betting and use regression Up & Pull.

You see if you take any comination of three attempts you think it takes Three attemps to cover all cominations to prevent the pattern to repeat and you also think you have to know how the pattern look like Before starting to play against it.
One repeat of a pattern of three is 1 in 8 odds.
But can be 1 in 16 it all boils down towards what you are prepeared to risk and what kind of MM you prefer.

Take example a seris of two as trigger and you att all times play for a change.
Then you have reduce the bets to cover the coming combinations.

For example

R
R

Now it does not matter what comming next you just play for a change, once.

RB
R

RR
R

If you lose you have the following results.

RB
RB

RR
RR

Now you wait one more time for a result and bet once for a change.

RBR
RB

RRR
RR

Now assume you lose your secound bet, then you have lost against one repeat with the odds 1 in 8

RBR
RBR

RRR
RRR

Same with how many combinations you like, take for example 1 in 16 which give you three attempts to cover four in a row repating once.
Or 1 in 32.

I just don't recommend you play them as they come, because even if you have great odds so is it not rare, so my suggestion is that you apply waves with end play.
So you observe how many wins each wave has before it ends with one repat.
For each wave you attack once.

Now you can reduce loses and handel them.
For example if each sequense end with the odds 1 in 8 and you start your attack it has to happen twice in a row which is very rare and you will win very ofhten.
But when you lose 1 in 8 twice you can get a sequense from hell where they repeat 7 time in a row.
I seen such a sequense, but you will not be on it or betting, just observing.
Now you only risk two bets, remember that.
So you in this situation let any bad strikes of loses to continue with out betting.
You wait for a fictive win and then after that sequense bet again.
If you don't win the bad tram has fall back to back with the odds 1 in 8 repeating twice or more back to back wich reduce the loses as you don't betting into the hole when they chop, only betting when you have a positive indication.
And you only risk a total of four bets.

« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 12:00:08 PM by Sputnik »

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 11:48:16 AM »
Here you can see over 1000 spins and you never lose one single session.
Each wave of winnings and loses is only one attack once.
You can see one day that you get 1 in 8 to repeat 5 times in a row and you are not betting.
That is recuding loses.

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« Last Edit: May 27, 2016, 05:24:52 AM by Sputnik »

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 05:24:32 AM »

Ok i got PM to make this clear as water and i will try.
I will also add files where you can follow each wave individual with TRNG results.

Above you can se that you place two bets to prevent six outcome to appear.
They are using a cancelation patch where you bet against patterns of three to repeat once.
The principal of 1/3 or patterns in Group of Three.
And you don't need to see a pattern from the past to bet on it not to happen.

You can use this to prevent patterns of Three (1 in or prevent patterns of four (1 in 16) or patterns of five (1 in 32)
First use two attempts to prevent six outcomes or one repeat of Groups of Three.
Secound use Three attempts to prevent eight outcomes or one repeat of Groups of four.
Third use four attempts to prevent ten outcomes or one repeat of gropups of five.
And so it continues

But we can increase probability even more with reducing bets.
How about three repeats with one Group of outcomes.
Clustering.

Then you use Three outcomes with any colour as your triger and bet at all times for a change.
Se my example below:

R
R
R

Here you can see Three reds and now you wait for the next outcome to show and bet against.

RB
R
R

Now you play red

RB
RB
R

We lose and play red again

RB
RB
RB

We lose and wait for next oucome to show and play against.

RBB
RB
RB

Black and we play red again

RBB
RBB
RB

We lose and bet red again

RBB
RBB
RBB

Now you have Three repeats with Groups of Three or principal of 1/3.
You place four bets to prevent nine outcomes comination to become Three repeats.

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2016, 12:33:04 PM »
I just want to show the power behind this bet.
FLAT BETTING

But in the real World with variance and fluctation you might need a smooth progression.
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 and so on ...

I don't know how to add Youtube Movie to this forum board?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 12:57:58 PM by Sputnik »

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#### Jesper

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2016, 12:48:39 PM »
Sometimes I bet after 4 Ec, but is it only  coincidentally.

#### Reyth

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2016, 02:31:12 PM »
• I just want to show the power behind this bet.
FLAT BETTING

But in the real World with variance and fluctation you might need a smooth progression.
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 and so on ...

I don't know how to add Youtube Movie to this forum board?

Kav has it set so we can just put links.

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#### mogul397

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 02:37:18 AM »
Here you can see over 1000 spins and you never lose one single session.
Each wave of winnings and loses is only one attack once.
You can see one day that you get 1 in 8 to repeat 5 times in a row and you are not betting.
That is recuding loses.

TRNG 2016 05 09

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Would it be possible to see and actual workout with results?

1) How you created the matrix.
2) How you determined the W/L.
3) And then what and how you would bet them.

That would be a method of play.

Thanks

#### mogul397

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 02:40:22 AM »
I come up with some intressting solutions for even money bets where you increase probability in the same tima as you reduce the amount of attempts to cover does expected combinations.
This in combination with gap methodology or end play i succed flat betting and use regression Up & Pull.

You see if you take any comination of three attempts you think it takes Three attemps to cover all cominations to prevent the pattern to repeat and you also think you have to know how the pattern look like Before starting to play against it.
One repeat of a pattern of three is 1 in 8 odds.
But can be 1 in 16 it all boils down towards what you are prepeared to risk and what kind of MM you prefer.

Take example a seris of two as trigger and you att all times play for a change.
Then you have reduce the bets to cover the coming combinations.

For example

R
R

Now it does not matter what comming next you just play for a change, once.

RB
R

RR
R

If you lose you have the following results.

RB
RB

RR
RR

Now you wait one more time for a result and bet once for a change.

RBR
RB

RRR
RR

Now assume you lose your secound bet, then you have lost against one repeat with the odds 1 in 8

RBR
RBR

RRR
RRR

In these example you state and show both iterations of what could
happen, but refer to a "change", which only applies to the first examples.
It doesn't make sense.  There is no "change" in RRR.

Same with how many combinations you like, take for example 1 in 16 which give you three attempts to cover four in a row repating once.
Or 1 in 32.

I just don't recommend you play them as they come, because even if you have great odds so is it not rare, so my suggestion is that you apply waves with end play.
So you observe how many wins each wave has before it ends with one repat.
For each wave you attack once.

Now you can reduce loses and handel them.
For example if each sequense end with the odds 1 in 8 and you start your attack it has to happen twice in a row which is very rare and you will win very ofhten.
But when you lose 1 in 8 twice you can get a sequense from hell where they repeat 7 time in a row.
I seen such a sequense, but you will not be on it or betting, just observing.
Now you only risk two bets, remember that.
So you in this situation let any bad strikes of loses to continue with out betting.
You wait for a fictive win and then after that sequense bet again.
If you don't win the bad tram has fall back to back with the odds 1 in 8 repeating twice or more back to back wich reduce the loses as you don't betting into the hole when they chop, only betting when you have a positive indication.
And you only risk a total of four bets.

#### mogul397

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 02:43:02 AM »
I have looked at 4 months of results on spielbank Wiesbaden at betting on red after 4 blacks in a row, betting once then waiting for another 4 blacks and so on, chasing \$10 wins you would need a bank roll of \$2550 because the most I saw went to 8, 7 misses then win , this can be applied to all ec's which would give good results on rng roulette, possible too slow on a real wheel, who has looked in to this and I would like to hear opinion's on this
Also, dont know why you need \$2550 to play 4  spins after waiting for 4 in a row.  Anyone out there?

#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2016, 06:26:21 AM »
Feel strange i have to rewrite everything to answear you questions.

1) If you get three doubbels in a row in any comination, then is the same thing as getting one repeat with the principal of 1/3. With principal of 1/3 you Group patterns into Three RRB BRB BRR so a repeat would look like this RBB RBB.
Now if you list them then you get following results.
RBB
RBB
If you look at them vertical you see you have Three doubbles RR BB BB
So if you take the random flow or distribution and bet against the doubbles and they finaly end with one rĂ©peat you win between does gaps.
When each random flow end or when each random sequense end with repeat based upon this principal i call that "end play".

You can extand it to Three, four, five or six or how many you want.
Take example Three.
RBR
RBR
RBR
As you can see you bet against Three in a row and everything between is winnings.
Until the random flow or distribution end with Three repeats.
First option take two bets and the other option four bets.

2) When to bet, the entering Point i use with the win/loss schema above was as follow.
a - You wait for a random sequense to end with a repeat, then you attack once.
If you lose you have two repeats follow each other and you stop betting until a ficitve win and start over, should you lose again, then you have doubble repeats twice falling back to back which is very rare, this way you avoid long losing sequenses.
b - If you win you wait for the sequense to end with a repeat and attack once again once.
So for each win or break even you wait for the sequense to end Before a new attack.

If four loses in a row you can start a new session attack, it would be rare to lose one session and even more rare to lose two sessions attack twice.
But it would not be any time for two session attack during one full day in the casino.
You get around 10 to 15 trails after all triggers and skips to reduce variance and fluctation.

Here is a coupel of days play using this method where we did not lose any session.

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« Last Edit: June 15, 2016, 06:32:26 AM by Sputnik »

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#### beretta28

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2016, 07:51:11 AM »
Not clear at all,even you have said twice the main principles.
It's a big example of "gambler fallacy",but I'm afraid I'm mistaken,because your explanation is unclear.
In any case you have the merit to have illustrated a complete methodolgy.
Very unusual in Forums
Thanks

#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2016, 08:15:58 AM »
Not clear at all,even you have said twice the main principles.
It's a big example of "gambler fallacy",but I'm afraid I'm mistaken,because your explanation is unclear.
In any case you have the merit to have illustrated a complete methodolgy.
Very unusual in Forums
Thanks

Is not GF is pure odds with a Dice.

Ask your self what the probability is for one side out of eight sides to repeat once, twice.
And to do so back to back after a fictive win.
That would be 4 x 1 in 8

I don't see patterns as patterns, i see them as part of the random distrubution or random flow.
And when you clustering them into Groups you get all kinds of different probabilitys.
I use the dice as playing model based upon pure odds.

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#### mogul397

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2016, 01:14:29 PM »
I'm sorry if I am stupid. I did notice that someone comes you to ask for clarity. Some of it looked like a language thing. I will thank you all. I am away today and will review it tonight. I am not looking for trouble but trying to understand. The original workouts were not very specific about the betting and how you bet based on results. Also, the examples looked like you had to wait for 3 in a row.  No examples of real data.

#### Sputnik

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2016, 04:05:45 PM »
Hello.... reply 3 has trng files and i do all my testing with True random generated numbers based upon noise. ..
1 and 2 stand for red and black...
Sorry for The short reply i write from my phone....
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