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#### Jesper

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##### The system and the winnings.
« on: May 26, 2016, 03:13:26 AM »

It is as I see not possible to place a bet or
a number of bets which will sure a win.

Every time such a proposal come up, it is
a hidden misstake in the math.

It is not true either all lose 2.7% of
the bets, or we all break even on a fair wheel.

I did some time ago an experimental run
which include a thought of getting an edge
on a fair wheel. I were aware it is not true
but I have no problem when I told people
about it to get them be live it should work.

I run it in real play for 1000 spins and
ended up in a decent win. It was then easy to fool
it was the "system" which by itself made the win.

I put one small chip on all numbers but 35.
Then 12 on high dozen. I explained if the
zero fall we gain 1 (one from the straight up)
we get the dozen bet back.

If the 3rd dozen fall, we gain 25  and
if an other doz fall we lose just 11.
And if 35 fall we lose 12.

Most were thinking we lose under expection which
should be 12 on a miss, and a win bet paid 25 not 24. On a dozen hit and zero gave a plus.
compared to play 12 on high dozen.
Yes it sound as we lose less and win more. Or?

It is not useless, most of the time it
shows profit at a stage.

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#### december

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##### Re: The system and the winnings.
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 04:01:31 AM »

Jesper, you really are studying this from all angles, thank you!

But how can we win on Zero? "...if the zero fall we gain 1 (one from the straight up)..."
Or any other number?
If we are betting 36 numbers, we'll win nothing when our number come and lose 3rd Dozen when it misses...

Or am I missing something?
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 04:09:42 AM by december »

#### Jesper

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##### Re: The system and the winnings.
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 04:26:38 AM »
This is played on BV zero wheel with no HA, it pays 37 out on a straight up, and the dozen bet is given back. if zero hits

So the dozen is returned, there is 36 inside chips, and it pays out 37.

You can try (in fun) and even better on BV AM-wheel there is a AM-wheel with fair odds.  Do the same bets it pays 38 on a straight up, which means there is one more winning number.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 04:30:54 AM by Jesper »

#### december

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##### Re: The system and the winnings.
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 08:52:26 AM »
Thank you Jesper!

Are they the only one who have that "Fair odds"?
How come that it is not more well known about that 37:1 payout?

#### Jesper

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##### Re: The system and the winnings.
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 10:47:04 AM »
Thank you Jesper!

Are they the only one who have that "Fair odds"?
How come that it is not more well known about that 37:1 payout?

I think most use the  NoZero, but sometimes the zero fair is better. Like if we mix outside bets with inside.
On fair odds hedging is not a disadvantage.  If we hedge the inside with betting some on zero can a zero hit
make a win.

I think it must be more casinos using this, I just do not know about them.  If the bet is fair the payout have to be 37
on a EU-wheel.   They tax 10% of your session winnings, we must understand all finprint, which is on the website.