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"Real" table results data-set.
« on: May 21, 2016, 01:25:16 PM »
I'm sure someone here will know . . . . if it's possible to obtain a data set (ten thousand trials should be sufficient) for the results from live tables - as opposed to computer generated RNG results? I've seen references to something along these lines from a casino in the German city of Wiesbaden (many people refer to these as some sort of religious scripture), but of course the source of the data needs to be verified.

Does anyone know if a casino chain make their results available? I know that there are now wheels with a chip in the bottom that will record results forever and a day . . . .

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 02:33:05 PM »
 
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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 03:54:05 PM »
Thanks. Much appreciated.
 

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 04:08:55 PM »
I've pulled the Dortmund Table 5, 180 day, data-set (37,231 trials) and dropped the outcomes into a spreadsheet.
The frequency of three numbers present at greater than +/- three standard deviations from the EV, which is worrying; one out of thirty seven of them possibly on this size of a sample, but three . . . . .

Could, of course mean the wheel was wonky but I would think this unlikely with a wheel maintained by a reputable casino. Do you know the source of this data, ie can it be traced back to local site records?

 
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 05:23:58 PM »
I am sure Kav can answer you on this. ;)
 

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 06:35:08 AM »
I've pulled the Dortmund Table 5, 180 day, data-set (37,231 trials) and dropped the outcomes into a spreadsheet.
The frequency of three numbers present at greater than +/- three standard deviations from the EV, which is worrying; one out of thirty seven of them possibly on this size of a sample, but three . . . . .

Could, of course mean the wheel was wonky but I would think this unlikely with a wheel maintained by a reputable casino. Do you know the source of this data, ie can it be traced back to local site records?

Hi,
To tell you the truth, I don't know if the data can be tracked back to the casino site records. But I trust this data as reliable. Some German casinos used to give little books with past spins. This may be the source of the Dortmund records.

I know that the data for Wiesbaden was taken from the Wiesbaden casino site archives.
 

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 07:13:38 PM »
Do German casinos still do this? If so, would you know how to get hold of more recent data if they do? I wonder if this was something to do with identifying possible wheel bias in the past, and has since been discontinued as results are now stored using other electronic means?

With regard to the numbers I looked at. I'm afraid I'm sceptical of the quality of data when almost 10% of the possible outcomes return frequencies that are more than +/-3SDs from the EV off of 38,000 trials.

 

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 11:25:28 PM »
I think there will always be a part of me that will be skeptical of real world wheel spins... :/
 

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Re: "Real" table results data-set.
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2016, 05:41:02 AM »
It's not the spins, it's the record of the spins - especially those that are old and especially those that are quoted as "proof" that such and such a system really works (and if you send me $000,000s I'll let you have the full details).
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2016, 10:05:33 AM »
In my opinionthere is no difference between a table record of a land-based table and a RNG sequence.The possibility that we could become table data from Wiesbadener spielcasino is dated. That was  from the time we did not have computers with riliable RNGs. Computers are very easy to program roulette systems.
 
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