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#### Jesper

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##### A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« on: May 21, 2016, 09:54:00 AM »

Most of the time I start to play on line I have modest target
usually is the target 10 Euro with a bank of a few hundred.

I play around try to find methods which is not too escalating
in the progression, but still has the power of the famous
Martingal recover on one hit.

This method is for players thinking they can spot sleeping numbers
and know which are hot.

We use a table with zero but still fair odds. NOZ works as well
but there are more slots on the zero wheel, and if we play all
but one it is 1/37 compairing to 1/36 to hit the only
uncovered number. The pay out is the same.

We chose a number every 10th spin (I play with 0.1) and
if we do not hit the uncovered number we are up an Euro.

We try it 10 times and then reach the 10 Euro.
We can do that several times, but I use to take a break.

The uncovered number can hit. We can use autospin set to 10 spins
and check if the uncovered number was hit. If not run again.

If we were unlucky to hit the only number we thought
sleeping, we change and use an other uncovered.
And add one chip to the number we think is HOTTEST.

If we hit any number except the uncovered or the hot number
we break even. If the hot number hits before the uncovered
we are back on track, like Martingale ONE HIT.

If the uncovered number hit before the hot, we are back more
and we have more to recover.

We move a chip from yet another suspected sleeper to the hot
number, we have two uncovered.

If the hot number hit before any uncovered we are back on track.

It does not matter if we lose so it should be many uncovered,
still we break even on the numbers with one chip, and
we are back on track the time we can hit the hot number
before any uncovered.

The betsize is from start 35x0.1 and in recover state we
allways bet 36x0.1 even if we wait many spins before
we hit the hot number.

It may for some sound strange to have many break even hits,
during recovery, but that's the price for  recovering in one hit,
despite we may hit 10 losing spins in a row. We can put one less
on the hot number and gain one on the other covered numbers.
When an hit on the hot not guarantee a full recover. It can sometimes
go many spins with zero gain, so it may not matter much.

The method can stand many losses, we win fast if
we succeed in spotting the cold and hot.

I do not think the method works very well on a table
paying less than fair. We turnover a lot of chips,
and 2.7% of it is less than the net winnings.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2016, 11:39:22 AM by Jesper »

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#### Jesper

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2016, 01:02:09 PM »
I have tried the method on a wheel which has 2.7% disadvantages, at that's means it must all the time have one more number uncovered (that do not need to be zero among them). Such wheel has -EV and it is harder to beat. I would say, it can be used in some cases. If the player is low roller even 0.1 or 0.05 can be high using such method, using 0.1 can make a downdraw of over 50 Euro. A player using 10-20 Euro bankroll, will have better chance playing 0.01 despite the unfair odds.
A small bankroll is more often reasons for losing, not the house limits.
Playing with 0.01 gives of course a profit around a few Euros for rather long play, but that's the way we best play using small bank, the number of chips are important.

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2016, 04:27:24 PM »
I have often considered using the first half of a typical marty.... 1-2 of the "standard" 1-2-4-8 since a majority of the hits seem to occur in the 1st and 2nd stages respectively (50% - 25% - 12.5% - 6.25%).  If it loses you're only out 3 units -  instead of 15 as with the 4 stage.
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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2016, 05:35:27 PM »
I have often considered using the first half of a typical marty.... 1-2 of the "standard" 1-2-4-8 since a majority of the hits seem to occur in the 1st and 2nd stages respectively (50% - 25% - 12.5% - 6.25%).  If it loses you're only out 3 units -  instead of 15 as with the 4 stage.

I think that's is on EC bets, this is about straights.  I know some used 1 2 4 8 and if lost continue using Pluscoup, and that was doing well on EC. A chopped marty use to lose slower and we are lower on bet, but would it win more?

It is not Marty used in the methods above, it is similar only in that way it resolve in one hit, we never double, the betsize is allways the same 37.

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2016, 05:46:50 PM »
Well this is true, marty's wouldn't apply here. Doubling would be suicidal. I have not heard of Pluscoup, sounds interesting.

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »
Hey is there any way to bet 35 numbers and NOT bet all 35 numbers straight up?  Like no, right?

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 02:49:50 PM »
Hey is there any way to bet 35 numbers and NOT bet all 35 numbers straight up?  Like no, right?

Yes but due to all  bets does not have fair odds I bet them straight up. A NOZ wheel has all bets fair.

You can however not bet the min using other bets, it will be the same. And it not possible to remove just one number if we use other bets.

We can not do it "cheaper".

We can put on doz 12 (only on NOZ) 18 on low and just one straight and two split, the bet is the same amount.

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2016, 02:25:28 PM »
Hey is there any way to bet 35 numbers and NOT bet all 35 numbers straight up?  Like no, right?

Yes but due to all  bets does not have fair odds I bet them straight up. A NOZ wheel has all bets fair.

You can however not bet the min using other bets, it will be the same. And it not possible to remove just one number if we use other bets.

We can not do it "cheaper".

We can put on doz 12 (only on NOZ) 18 on low and just one straight and two split, the bet is the same amount.

you mean something like this?

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2016, 03:11:33 PM »
Hey is there any way to bet 35 numbers and NOT bet all 35 numbers straight up?  Like no, right?

Yes but due to all  bets does not have fair odds I bet them straight up. A NOZ wheel has all bets fair.

You can however not bet the min using other bets, it will be the same. And it not possible to remove just one number if we use other bets.

We can not do it "cheaper".

We can put on doz 12 (only on NOZ) 18 on low and just one straight and two split, the bet is the same amount.

you mean something like this?

If you understand my wiev, you should not ask. TEST it, this is one of the good.  You must use straight, and if you do not know why, you do not understand  0HE.

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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2016, 05:53:44 AM »
As the above is a method that represents a net nil return (house edge wise), at what point do you walk away when you're up?
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##### Re: A method which wins if we spot hottest and coldest.
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 06:39:50 AM »
As the above is a method that represents a net nil return (house edge wise), at what point do you walk away when you're up?

I use to play with 0.1 on line and target about 10 Euro at the time.  Sometimes it is done in one session. I use to bet one lower on the hot, so it is one plus at every other hit. They can be quite a few, and when the hot number comes in
the session is over all losses is recovered   the many 1 chip  spins.

The HA is hardly visible in one session, but after weeks play there is a large difference. We can compare  playing in fun using the two tables It is allways one more uncovered if normal HA. As we bet so many numbers the fair wheel has advantage which is very visible after a while.