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Reyth

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Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« on: May 07, 2016, 04:46:07 AM »
Some have had the audacity to come into this forum and state that no roulette system player can have a genuine edge.  I am here to dispute that with the proven facts.

The following is a list of methods that I (and others of course) have proven will increase the win rate, increase the target hit rate & decrease the max loss.  These techniques have been used and proven effective by myself and others on this forum:

1) Misdirection -- This is where bets that break even or pay a smaller amount and cost less, are strategically placed to soak up spins and thus decrease the max loss over just placing your target bets that pay your full desired amount.

2) Randomization -- When a bet selection would normally remain static (the same numbers chosen repeatedly), randomization (randomly change the bet selection) after every hit will decrease the max loss.  I have proven this with all inside bets & the dozens.

3) Segmented Range Betting -- By printing out the loss distribution for your bet selection (each successive loss and its percentage of the overall distribution), choose to bet only at an optimal percentage chance of hitting and stop betting at an optimal time, continuing the bet progression once an optimal range again presents itself.  This assures that your betting will be optimized and thus will outperform contiguous betting.

4) Progression Widening -- This is simply increasing the length of the progression (which will also increase the bankroll requirement).  This will obviously increase your win rate as your chances of hitting increase with each progression element you add.

5) Progression Deepening -- This is a variant of Progression Widening that adds elements to the progression by adding additional recovery levels.  Experimenting with these figures will produce different results.
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2016, 08:05:55 AM »
I read a lot of words but I understan nothing.
Why not a simple example with rear figures.
 

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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2016, 10:25:22 AM »
Hey Reyth,

You forgot point 6.

6) Casino License -- Obtaining a license to operate a casino will guarantee a genuine edge in roulette.

 
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2016, 10:32:57 AM »
Yeah . . . I'll go with number six. Not sure about the others.

Interested in this idea of betting less to "soak up spins"? How would one know whether the next spin is one that should have a lesser bet on it? Reyth, would you explain please?

 

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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 03:41:37 PM »
UK& Dobble: #1 is simply a way of constructing a bet selection that will perform better.  The improvement varies on a case by case basis but here is an example of the concept:

Let's say you want to bet 3 straight up numbers.  That is your actual target.  You could set up your progression and triggers based on that and that would be fine right?  But what if you put in a double street?  For just one chip more you could cover SIX more numbers for a total of NINE.  Sure it only pays +1 unit but look at the effect on your target bets; those 3 straight up numbers don't go missing as long or as often -- an edge; I guess some people have called this "insurance".

I made this post for system designers who are looking to increase the performance of their systems, myself included and regardless of any nay-saying, these techniques work! :D :P

You want to see a further improvement?  Try randomizing the 3 numbers you bet every time they hit; you will notice the max expected loss shrinking further.  Add Harry/Pales betting range technique using an optimal trigger and segmented bets with a delayed progression and you will see even more significant improvement!

Its not easy to improve system performance results; many things simply do not work. :/
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2016, 04:11:02 PM »
Hi Reyth,

I can vouch for 2) which you could also call "diversification". In other words, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

I used to belong to a private roulette forum years ago started by a guy called Bateman who swore by a statistical technique called Autocorrelation. He never did reveal exactly how it worked, but it's fun trying to apply these methods.
 
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2016, 04:25:28 PM »
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It is often used...for analyzing...series of values...

Boy that would be one complicated formula.  Would it be correct that roulette has a defined mean & variance?  I mean of course in practical terms; we aren't concerned about an event that occurs once in quadrillions of spins...

Auto Regression sounds pretty awesome but that's about all I can garner about it; the extent of my visual signal processing if you will... >.<
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2016, 05:58:59 PM »
I get the bit around covering more numbers will increase the probabiliy of a result, and beig paid out something, but I don't understand the bit about doing this will mean the three straight-ups don't go missing for as long or as often than if not doing it? I can't see how one impacts the other?

I've been playing with a spreadsheet for part of this afternoon, looking at how bets can be modified in the latter steps of a positive progression cycle in order to reduce the prob of a losing number being spun - the prob of doubling up reduces, although so does the prob of losing all bets for that step (from 19/37 to 5/37). The prob of endng the step with more than you started with remains at 18/37. Still playing with it.

I'm sure I should be doing something more constructive.

 
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2016, 06:40:02 PM »
Well, as a concrete example. Let's talk about those original 3 stations.  They each pay 33 units when they hit which is more than enough to pay for a single double street as a "loss buffer".

Normally 3 stations can be expected to go missing for (my processor is bogged down right now with two intensive calculations) like 90+ times but because that double street is there that max loss is actually reduced by a significant amount (probably like 70+ times, again my processor is bogged down sorry) because those 6 numbers that normally would register as a loss, hit for +1 and so it is like a free spin; i.e. improving the performance of your target bets.

You don't really want the DS to hit, you really want hits on the straight up numbers but the DS helps "stall" until they hit, shaving something like 20 spins off the worst you can expect to get from the wheel; i.e. misdirection.
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2016, 07:27:00 PM »
Yes we struggle against the odds, if that not were possible, and could work, I am afraid I am not born.
 

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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Hmmm . . . . . I'm going to have to go away and think about this. I think I'm fairly OK wih numbers, but I'm struggling to see the logic here.
 

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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2016, 07:38:46 PM »
What it comes down to is a simple comparison:

The performance of those three numbers alone VS.  The performance of those 3 numbers AND a DS

Adding low cost & efficient loss buffers to your bet selection improves the performance even though they are not your desired target.  The idea is to structure them so they will be easily paid for when your target bets finally hit.
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2016, 08:10:57 PM »
Reyth, would the three SU numbers chosen be embedded within the streets?

i.e. for example if you wanted to play  #2, #5 and #8 all SU, you would also (or only) bet their respective streets ?  (1-3, 4-6, 7-9)
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2016, 09:06:11 PM »
Well my thoughts are that anytime we "intermix" coverage areas, we are losing efficiency because number coverage is such an important part of bet selection. 

So what I think is that there needs to be a sufficient REASON and MEANS  to afford the luxury of burning those numbers that overlap?

In your example, I would find a DS more efficient than a street simply because more numbers would be covered, say 7-12 for instance?  I would also then be tempted to remove one of those straight up numbers in an attempt to make up for the additional cost caused by the overlap?  Or maybe turn one of the straight up numbers into a split like 1-2?



Maybe instead of a split we can make it a quad 2-6?

These ideas are exciting but probably what will end up performing the best will be leaving the straight up numbers pure in their coverage (because they pay so well on their own) and using the full power of a chip to cover 6 completely separate numbers.
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Re: Guaranteed Methods To Gain A Genuine Edge In Roulette
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2016, 09:41:27 PM »
I agree that redundant or overlapping coverage is potentially a waste of efficiency. Interesting scenarios you have provided. The myriad of ways to approach this attracts my interest....I will work on it some.

In regards to the marty on past posts....I had a thought of a marty with a "built in" recovery. Something like a 1-2-3-6 instead of the classic 2x marty (1-2-4-8). In the 1-2-3-6 example, the 1-2 section would be the profit bets (wins at +1 units respectively and the 3-6 would be the recovery section (wins at 0 units respectively). A failure of the classic marty, of course, is a 15 unit loss, whereas the "recovery marty" would lose 12. Not sure if the savings of 3 units is worth the "drag" on the progression.
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