### Author Topic: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better  (Read 1629 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

#### Jesper

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1422
• Thanked: 735 times
• Gender:
##### The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« on: May 04, 2016, 05:03:46 AM »
If we cover a lot of numbers, we expose  many numbers  "to zero", but zero is a playable slot, it is not zero, we can stake at all numbers and be sure to lose one, we can leave one slot empty  and break even or lose. In other world it is not the number of slots, it is the pay out rules. An American wheel has 38 slots, and if it paying fair odds it can be a good choice.
A nozero wheel has 36 slots, and an American wheel using payout 38 can be better to use, if we cover a lot of numbers. Fair odds do not expose a wide bet to HE, so HE it has no issue at such  table.

When we bet on many numbers (almost all), we want not to hit a specific number, we want to avoid one or a few more, we win if one or two numbers MISS. If we bet all except one number, we benefit using a wheel with so many slots as possible, if the odds are fair. Can we spot cold numbers we win.

And we can find an AM wheel paying 38 units on a plein, which gives 2/38 Chance of hitting an unwanted number,
an a NOZ it is 2/36.  With the right betting we will never lose  all chips on the table, in one spin, rather just a few.

The same goes for the play I wrote about in an other thread, if we use EC for covering. (IE we bet  18 on low instead of plein) a fair odds zero wheel pay back the money, and if we have chip on zero we  get full pay on zero and all on the EC back.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2016, 06:04:07 AM by Jesper »

The following users thanked this post: kav, december

#### UK-21

• New
• Posts: 115
• Thanked: 39 times
• Gender:
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2016, 06:06:55 AM »
Where can one play where a wheel has no zero slot(s), or the pay-table pays 36-1 / 37-1 on a straightup number win?

#### Bayes

• Veteran Member
• Posts: 688
• Thanked: 563 times
• roulettician.com
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2016, 09:10:06 AM »
Hi UK-21,

Betvoyager has a no-zero wheel. RNG only though. They take a 10% cut of your net winnings but it's still better than playing against the normal house edge.

http://classic.betvoyager.com/
« Last Edit: May 04, 2016, 02:51:10 PM by kav »

#### Jesper

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1422
• Thanked: 735 times
• Gender:
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 02:51:24 PM »
Hi UK-21,

Betvoyager has a no-zero wheel. RNG only though. They take a 10% cut of your net winnings but it's still better than playing against the normal house edge.

Especially if we cover a lot of numbers, it is near impossible to win if we have  an empty slot taking all. Many think a small HE of 2,7% not matter, but it matters a lot if we cover the table.  The fair odds will slowly even out win and losses, in a million spins we are some thousend box back or forward. The bell curve never reach the x-axis. A short play ("Hit and Run") it may not show (for the day).
« Last Edit: May 04, 2016, 02:52:56 PM by kav »

#### Jesper

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1422
• Thanked: 735 times
• Gender:
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2016, 05:33:30 PM »
Look at the difference!  HE can be shown in a spin, if we cover the carpet.

Here it is one unit in a spin, and with rng and cover table we use maybe 100 to 2000 spins.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2016, 05:35:29 PM by Jesper »

#### december

• Veteran Member
• Posts: 375
• Thanked: 40 times
• Gender:
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 06:35:15 PM »
@Jesper, how come that payout is different in this 2 examples?

Thanks

#### Jesper

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1422
• Thanked: 735 times
• Gender:
##### Re: The odds on the tables. Sometimes a zerowheel may be better
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 04:58:04 PM »
@Jesper, how come that payout is different in this 2 examples?

Thanks

I may post wrong one picture. But if you test a noz wheel with zero, they pay out 37 on a plein, and give back all EC bets. If we try and bet 18 on low and 18 straight ups on high, we win on high, due to higher pay outs. We got the zero, and we may bet on zero to protect inside bet only, so here we put 1 chip on zero. We go break even on zero, win one on the straight ups and lose on EC. The story is we  get it all back if zero hits. We can have a lot of money on the table, but we will never lose all in a spin. As soon the outside bets balance they can be very big, and the will nit be lost in a single spin. A recover is to win next or remove a plein for a spin.

The following users thanked this post: december